Originally posted by Ushgarak
Geez, I am glad you don't run the Galaxy!1. Yes, making a wager- it was the way to free him. Yes, Jedi are against slavery but QGJ is not God; he cannot click his fingers and make it end. He did the right thing in the circumstances.
2. It was his DESTINY. Qui-Gon knew that. That settles it.
3. If Obi-Wan had not chosen to do it, no-one else would have, and that would have been the end of that.
5. ALL he achieved was to send himself on the path to the Dark Side. He did not save or help anyone and he DID slaughter a load of innocents. If he had done as he was meant to and severed his emotional tis- listened to Obi-Wan- this would never have happened.
6. Anakin is ill-disciplined, selfish, over-emotional and immature. It is 100% Obi-Wan's job to criticise and attempt to correct that.
7. No, that would have been stupid, because then you would have no Chosen One and the Sith would win.
8. You are not MEANT to be attached! That was entirely his fault! That is the rather obvious point! Anakin's failing is his over-attachment.
9. Now you are just babbling- the quote is irrelevant, and no, no such thing happened.
Now, let me close this decisively. George Lucas himself says QGJ did the right thing in freeing Anakin and choosing to train him. If he had not, the Sit would have won everlasting. Anakin had a destiny to save the Galaxy- but before he finally got there in ROTJ, he made a conscious decision to reject that destiny and choose something far darker. He did that because of HIS failings.
And yes, the cicmsances were not ideal; he was too old, and Obi-Wan not experineced enough. But it was still right thing to do. In the final analysis, the fault for things going wrong... is entirely down to Anakin and his own failings.
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Now, does anyone have any more remarks on-topic?
Im talking about running the galaxy .......dudes
Here is what I find to be likely. It is not entirely confirmed, yet highly probable that there will be a scene in the middle of the movie where Anakin receives his Sith title. If so, then I would argue that during his duel with Obi-Wan, he simply tells him. People have said it before, and I will say it again. I believe that Anakin will plainly tell Obi-Wan that he has joined with Palpatine and has been given the title of Darth Vader. Problem solved.
Originally posted by darth_surgent
Here is what I find to be likely. It is not entirely confirmed, yet highly probable that there will be a scene in the middle of the movie where Anakin receives his Sith title. If so, then I would argue that during his duel with Obi-Wan, he simply tells him. People have said it before, and I will say it again. I believe that Anakin will plainly tell Obi-Wan that he has joined with Palpatine and has been given the title of Darth Vader. Problem solved.
Whoah, are you saying that there is a possibility that Anakin will be named Darth Vader BEFORE he battles ObiWan and receives the "Vader suit"?
That would really change a lot of opinions.
cornponious
this idea might be out there a bit, but here's another one:
After Anakin is saved from the lava following the dual, one of the remaining Jedi could follow from a distance and observe their movements and Anakin's recovery, kinda like Obi-Wan did on Geonosis. And Obi-Wan and Yoda could be listening to the Jedi's report via comlink, when suddenly the line goes dead as the Jedi was discovered and quickly killed by Anakin.....then they would know......
Originally posted by cornponious
Whoah, are you saying that there is a possibility that Anakin will be named Darth Vader BEFORE he battles ObiWan and receives the "Vader suit"?That would really change a lot of opinions.
Well, I know that what I said was an obvious statement, but this thread is asking how Obi-Wan and Yoda know that Anakin is Darth Vader, and I plainly answered the question in the simplest of terms. And anyway, though it may be simple to you and I, there are many people who get so caught up in whacky theories, that they miss the most likely explanation.
Originally posted by darth_surgent
Well, I know that what I said was an obvious statement, but this thread is asking how Obi-Wan and Yoda know that Anakin is Darth Vader, and I plainly answered the question in the simplest of terms. And anyway, though it may be simple to you and I, there are many people who get so caught up in whacky theories, that they miss the most likely explanation.
Right. My point is that, since the 80's, we all have this image of Darth Vader being the man AND the suit. For many of us, the suit goes with the name. To see Anakin as Darth Vader, but without the suit, would be kind of strange, but I can see it clearly now.
cornponious