yeah, what naij said. in the forum, "theory" is practical, and can be exploited, whereas in comics, theory tends to stay that way. aside from that, hal in particular has on-panel feats to back-up almost everything he's supposed to be able to do.
i'd give hal a slight edge in this, and maybe kyle. but they'd be the only 2.
Originally posted by Naija boy
I really dont see how that should be applicable though. Supes winning against most of these guys in comics when they have clear advantages over him can be atributed to plot and should hardly have a place on a forum. It similar to the hulk soloing numerous superpowered teams even though he is a one dimensional brick.......In a forum fight hed get wrecked if put in the same situation
it isn't ALWAYS plot, though. he has plenty of ways to put them down too.
superman usually wins because he's simply that good and that resilient.
Originally posted by -Pr-
it isn't ALWAYS plot, though. he has plenty of ways to put them down too.superman usually wins because he's simply that good and that resilient.
Dont get me wrong though, im not saying thats its always plot. In many cases he has advantages over them as well which even things out. What im referring to is scenarios in which the advantages in which they have clearly outweigh those which he has over them. A fight against Hal imo is one of these cases.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Dont get me wrong though, im not saying thats its always plot. In many cases he has advantages over them as well which even things out. What im referring to is scenarios in which the advantages in which they have clearly outweigh those which he has over them. A fight against Hal imo is one of these cases.
but you believe it's always the case that hal should beat superman?
Originally posted by -Pr-
is this that whole thing whereby you're saying could just exploit his weaknesses rather than simply using normal constructs and such?
Actually what would be most effective is using weakness exploitation and his other powers in conjunction. i.using Forcefield ,plasma constructs and blasts while also making use of attacks such as red sun radiation,kryptonite and solar energy draining.
Superman is pretty much limited to the physical approach which shouldnt be enough to give him the majority.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Actually what would be most effective is using weakness exploitation and his other powers in conjunction. i.using Forcefield ,plasma constructs and blasts while also making use of attacks such as red sun radiation,kryptonite and solar energy draining.Superman is pretty much limited to the physical approach which shouldnt be enough to give him the majority.
thought so.
limited, though? you really think so?
Originally posted by Naija boythat sounds like a reasonable approach assuming Hal fights to the fullest of his powers...but then that means Superman is also fighting at peak ability
Actually what would be most effective is using weakness exploitation and his other powers in conjunction. i.using Forcefield ,plasma constructs and blasts while also making use of attacks such as red sun radiation,kryptonite and solar energy draining.
wouldn't superman be way too fast for Hal to pinpoint and react to?
Originally posted by Starscream M
that sounds like a reasonable approach assuming Hal fights to the fullest of his powers...but then that means Superman is also fighting at peak abilitywouldn't superman be way too fast for Hal to pinpoint and react to?
i wouldn't think so. the ring has ludicrous tracking feats and hal ahs kept up with flash and tagged zoom.
i think i give hal the slight edge because while supes is versatile (much more so than most give him credit for) hal is even MORE versatile and has a weakness he can exploit. that coupled with his own intelligence and matter manip skills (which for some reason are often overlooked) give him the edge here imo. but like i said--he'd need to be very creative to get his wins.
Originally posted by -Pr-
thought so.limited, though? you really think so?
In comparison to hal yeah his options are pretty limited. While HV and Icebreathe are good attacks the really shouldnt bother an enrgy manipulator of Hals level. i think the physical approach is supes most potent method of attack especially in this scenario. And while supes can get extremely creative in that regard i doubt its enough to offset hals abilities.
Originally posted by leonidasthe ring may track superman...but hal himself can't, so he would be very limited in what he could do to a superman speedblitzing him
i wouldn't think so. the ring has ludicrous tracking feats and hal ahs kept up with flash and tagged zoom.i think i give hal the slight edge because while supes is versatile (much more so than most give him credit for) hal is even MORE versatile and has a weakness he can exploit. that coupled with his own intelligence and matter manip skills (which for some reason are often overlooked) give him the edge here imo. but like i said--he'd need to be very creative to get his wins.
Originally posted by Naija boy
In comparison to hal yeah his options are pretty limited. While HV and Icebreathe are good attacks the really shouldnt bother an enrgy manipulator of Hals level. i think the physical approach is supes most potent method of attack especially in this scenario. And while supes can get extremely creative in that regard i doubt its enough to offset hals abilities.
oh ye of little faith. 😛
Originally posted by Starscream M
the ring may track superman...but hal himself can't, so he would be very limited in what he could do to a superman speedblitzing him
he could let the ring do the work. his shields should hold long enough to protect him. he can teleport around as well, not to mention hal can use the ring to amp his strength to degrees where he has battled supes h2h in the past. i don't think a blitz would work--or not work very often.
Originally posted by leonidashis ring's auto-functions are pretty rudimentary, aren't they? nothing that would really affect a all-out superman
he could let the ring do the work. his shields should hold long enough to protect him. he can teleport around as well, not to mention hal can use the ring to amp his strength to degrees where he has battled supes h2h in the past. i don't think a blitz would work--or not work very often.
where's he gonna teleport to? If superman wants...he could be at different points miles apart in miliseconds...so by the time Hal tracks superman and teleports there, superman would've been long gone
and again, if superman is just a blur, hal won't be able to engage him in h2h combat...whereas Superman can
Yo.
Originally posted by Starscream M
his ring's auto-functions are pretty rudimentary, aren't they? nothing that would really affect a all-out superman
rudimentary?? U serious??
Originally posted by Starscream M
where's he gonna teleport to? If superman wants...he could be at different points miles apart in miliseconds...so by the time Hal tracks superman and teleports there, superman would've been long gone
that works both ways, given that teleportation is instantaneous and all, plus Supes would have to see him coming somehow.
Originally posted by Starscream M
and again, if superman is just a blur, hal won't be able to engage him in h2h combat...whereas Superman can
unless Hal were intangible........ 😉
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