To me it is alot of the reasons for school shootings Darth, i know we have a difference in opinion there. Thats just one of satans tactics he uses, he brings depression, anger, hate, envy, jealousy where ever someone has a weakness he's there to throw it at them & pushes every button they have to break. So many people fight against, lets pray in school, when their focus shld be trying to prevent school shooting, pray isn't hurting anyone, taking it out however does....but the concern shld be on school violence.
Kids were always able to get guns if they wanted too, i could have when i was a kid, their minds are just more vengeful now, thats cuz of lack of God. (my opinion) Most kids have no respect at all, most don't even know what respect is, most kids morals are horrible, they stink!!! Its cuz of how society reacts to the way kids dress, attitudes... society is saying its ok.
But were there prayer sessions for those who wanted to take part when YOU were in school? Unless you went to a Christian school, there weren't. What SS and I are saying is that prayer was NEVER in school. I guess I have no choice but to explain myself again, since you don't seem to have read my post. Judging by your posts, the kids who are doing the shootings are the immoral, non-Christian ones, right? Who never had to pray in school anyways, and only mentioned God in school one time in the Pledge of Allegiance. So the Christian kids have always been able to pray in school on their own, except for that one instance you're talking about, which was determined to be illegal anyways. And the non-Christian kids have never had to pray in public school... So what has changed, other than the debate over that one line in the PoA? Nothing! I don't understand how you think "lack of God" is affecting our public school system.
There's not just 1 instance that has taken place, several instances have taken place where a kid was told they couldn't pray at their graduation cuz it offended 1 person. Yes, it is legal to pray in school, it just has to be student lead. There's always someone trying to take God out of school some how or another, i thk its ridiculous, there's more concerns in the school system that the focus shld be on
Wow, there were several instances? 😱
Seriously though, big ****in' deal. It makes no difference anyways in our debate. My point still stands--the people who aren't praying anyways aren't going to be affected by whether or not it takes place. The Christian kids, so you claim, aren't shooting people at all. If you're telling me that they go shoot a bunch of kids because they weren't allowed to pray ONCE in their school, they really should seek anger management help.
my point being more violence is everywhere and i feel it's becuz everyone is tossing a fit about God they want him out of everything,(not just schools) i mean IF you don't believe in him, they why do you care if peeps pray anyways? why do they care if 10 commands in front of a City Hall? why do they care if its in our PLEDGE? That is Satans tactics, everytime God is taken out of somewhere, schools included, that just gives satan another foot in the door & he uses it.
They care because it is technically unconstitutional. I really could give a shit about the Pledge, but I don't want the Ten Commandments in a government building... Unless they are there for some historical reason. As I have said many times, I don't care if a kid choses to pray at his graduation. Though I would think it a little odd if there was a formal prayer before the ceremony, whether it was led by a student or a teacher/administrator.
As I have also said many times, organized religion has no place in any government-run institution. Not only is it unconstitutional, it is also disrespectful to those who don't believe in it. I'm not offended by the fact that the Eightfold Path isn't on the walls of every courthouse... You shouldn't be offended by the fact that most people don't want the Ten Commandments there either. I don't see how a person can be so upset over the absence of something so frankly mundane.
Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
To me it is alot of the reasons for school shootings Darth, i know we have a difference in opinion there.
erm FE Imma have to disagree with you. The responsibility for school shootings belongs soley with the parent and the student. There have been many cases where the shooter came from christian families. Religion or lack thereof has nothing to do with causing school shootings.
Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
There's not just 1 instance that has taken place, several instances have taken place where a kid was told they couldn't pray at their graduation cuz it offended 1 person.
Now you know how the rest of the country feels when a Christian or two protests a Harry Potter book because it offends them, and "promotes witchcraft". What bullshit. Fact of the matter is church and state should be seperate for THAT reason. There is NO way to please everyone, and this is the best way to keep this kind of shit under control. If the kid wants to pray fine, but they can do it silently, and they don't have to make others do it.
They can pray out loud, it is their right to, it's not illegal, they can also legally have bible studies in schools now.
Jedi, i disagree hun
my point being more violence is everywhere and i feel it's becuz everyone is tossing a fit about God they want him out of everything,(not just schools) i mean IF you don't believe in him, they why do you care if peeps pray anyways? why do they care if 10 commands in front of a City Hall? why do they care if its in our PLEDGE? That is Satans tactics, everytime God is taken out of somewhere, schools included, that just gives satan another foot in the door & he uses it.
There's more crime now than ever and Satan is using everything he can to attack everyone & to bring them down cuz he knows his time is coming to an end. A person has to accept Christ as their Lord & Savior, coming from a christian family doesn't make every person in that family a christian. They can rebel against God, its their choice.
Originally posted by Darth Revan
They care because it is technically unconstitutional. I really could give a shit about the Pledge, but I don't want the Ten Commandments in a government building... Unless they are there for some historical reason. As I have said many times, I don't care if a kid choses to pray at his graduation. Though I would think it a little odd if there was a formal prayer before the ceremony, whether it was led by a student or a teacher/administrator.As I have also said many times, organized religion has no place in any government-run institution. Not only is it unconstitutional, it is also disrespectful to those who don't believe in it. I'm not offended by the fact that the Eightfold Path isn't on the walls of every courthouse... You shouldn't be offended by the fact that most people don't want the Ten Commandments there either. I don't see how a person can be so upset over the absence of something so frankly mundane.
Have you been to any graduations lately? I've been to several and there's NOT 1 graduation where someone didn't pray.
If it's so unconstitutional, then why would they ever put it on our money?
Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
They can pray out loud, it is their right to, it's not illegal, they can also legally have bible studies in schools now.
Ok, well, christianity isn't the only religion on the planet. Let's allow the study of the Qu'ran and the Torah while we're at it. No, wait, let's not stop there, let's bring in Bhuddist beliefs, and Taoism, and Hinduism...
See? It wouldn't work. I swear, Christians are so selfish when it comes to matters of church and state.
If it's so unconstitutional, then why would they ever put it on our money?
It's tradition. It's been on money since America had currency, and if we take it off now, Christians will be in an uproar.
My point is that it wouldn't work. The seperation of church and state keeps ALL religions out of matters of state, including public schools, because then the other damn religions would b!tch because their beliefs aren't being taught in schools. It just wouldn't work.
and it IS illegal. Maybe you should reveiw the constitution and the amendments.
Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
Have you been to any graduations lately? I've been to several and there's NOT 1 graduation where someone didn't pray.
If it's so unconstitutional, then why would they ever put it on our money?
*smacks forehead*
Go read the damned constitution and tell me if it doesn't say that church and state are to be kept separate. Until then, I refuse to buy any of this "these are Satan's tactics" bullshit. Finti already explained in this thread why "In God we trust" is printed on our money.
And you've done something I guess you really enjoy--you've ignored the really relevant part of my post and taken only what you (or so you think) have an answer for.