You like religion here...so....

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Let me express something that you may have missed. My problem is not with "god". My problem is with organized religions. Religion wasn't created by god...it was created by the men who seek to use gods name to benefit themselves. Sure, I know Jesus said all that you are the rock I build my church on stuff. But I believe Jesus to be a real person. I don't doubt his very good intentions, but we see that a man who taught peace and acceptance has had his name used to committ some of the most atrocious acts in human history...

What this means is that I believe there to be a lot of good things that came from the man we call Jesus. Do I believe that god decided to experience his own creation from the inside and decided to become a flesh and blood creature...I doubt it. I think that puts limits on god, what?..he had to try it out for himself? So, I believe that Jesus was flesh and blood, just like you and I. I believe he had a lot of really great ideas in a very Ghandi-esque kind of way. But I don't think he was god made man.

Then, as a result of this mans teachings, we've had two thousand years of war, genocide and atrocities because we want to argue about how he said it. "Well, maybe when Jesus said "love your neighbor", he was really talking about white heterosexual protestant males....and anyone else is a sinner and the work of satan and must be destroyed."

Not all the terrible things in history were done by Nazis and Communists. The church has had it's fair share of responsability in lots of things...and not just the Catholic church. If you look at theh history of Christianity the Catholic church was THE church for a long time. It even got to the point where you could buy your way out of hell by giving money to the church.

Basically there's so much shit going on in the world and tossing your hands up in the air or falling to your knees and praying to an invisible man in the clouds hasn't helped. Pointing at the ground and saying the master of all evil lives down there and look what he's done! is a copout. At some point, we need to step out of the dark ages and start being a little more proactive.

Well put CF

Capt Fanstastic: Not all the terrible things in history were done by Nazis and Communists. The church has had it's fair share of responsability in lots of things...and not just the Catholic church. If you look at theh history of Christianity the Catholic church was THE church for a long time. *****It even got to the point where you could buy your way out of hell by giving money to the church.**********

Just becuz someone says it will by your way out of hell, doesn't mean it is so.

CAPT: What this means is that I believe there to be a lot of good things that came from the man we call Jesus. Do I believe that god decided to experience his own creation from the inside and decided to become a flesh and blood creature...I doubt it. I think that puts limits on god, what?..he had to try it out for himself? So, I believe that Jesus was flesh and blood, just like you and I. I believe he had a lot of really great ideas in a very Ghandi-esque kind of way. But I don't think he was god made man.
have you heard of the story of Abraham? Where he took his son up on the mountain to do a sacrifice to the Lord. He asked God, where is the sacrifice, he said bring your son. Abraham never doubted God, he took his son upon the mountain to sacrifice his own son. Just as he had lifted his hand up to slay his Son an Angel of the Lord stopped him and there was a ram for the sacrifice. Now, did God want him to sacrifice his son, NO, but he wanted to know if he would do it or not for him. He wanted to know how much Abraham did love him. Thats how much God loves us, that he gave us Jesus, his only Son, so that we didn't live under law anymore but under GRACE & MERCY. Now would Abraham have sacrificed his son? yes, why? cuz he loved and trusted God that much. Just as God loved us. God gave his only begotton Son not to condemn the world but to save the world. We have the choice just as Abraham had the choice. God gave his only Son that all may have everlasting life, but if we don't chose it, thats our choice.

Yeah, I heard the story of Abraham. I wasn't asleep during the 13 years of Catholic school....

And to pull a page out of your book.....Meaning what?

Abraham the common link in Jewish, Muslim and Chrisitan faith

Noah is also in all three religions, so he isn't THE common link, more like "one of".

🙂 UMM i did put what i was meaning by it.

I'm not sure I follow what you're saying. But, when I read that, I'm reminded just how much has changed in religion. Does god still want me to kill animals for him? Or has that rule changed because Jesus died? I'm confused. When I take the communion and the grape juice, and it changes into the body and the blood once I've eaten it...if I throw it up, will it be a chunk of flesh?...or will it still be wheat product. Will it still be wheat product because I threw it up, because I don't believe it's the body? If a preist falls in the forest and no one is around to catch him...will god do it?

That is to represent his body and the blood he sheed, it's not actually his body. If you take communion and you'e not a believer this is what the Word of God says:

1 Cor 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
1 Cor 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
1 Cor 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come.
1 Cor 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
1 Cor 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
1 Cor 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
1 Cor 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

It does say for this reason many are WEAK & SICKLY, you have to repent before you do this, get your life right w/God. ask forgivness in Jesus name.

Noah is also in all three religions, so he isn't THE common link, more like "one of".

mmm.... wine... wine

Originally posted by finti
Abraham was the patriarch and considered as founder of all there faiths, mainly because of Abrahams alleged idea of a monotheistic belief

ah yes, true dat. I remember hearing that now.

About the "religion being taken out of schools being responisble for school shootings" thing...religion was never supposed to be in public schools to begin with, so that can hardly be responsibly. No. A reason there's more school shootings is because kids these days are put under a terrible amount of pressure, and sadly a few think that's the only outlet. It has nothing to do with the absence or presence of religion. And there have been many more deaths because of religion than because of school shootings.

About the Catholic church...how can anyone believe anything said by them, with all the corruption it's had in the past and all the current scandals? I sure wouldn't believe anyone or anything that can't even practice what they preach...hence why I no longer consider myself a Catholic.

About someone saying that they are Christian...if someone believes that they follow a certain religion, they do. You can't tell someone that they aren't Christian because they don't act how you believe they should.

About taking the communion if you're not a believer...do I even need to dispute that?

I believe I've said all I want to for the moment...

Oh, DR...😂

I only do because my parents woudl go ape if i didn't,
Oh and I never pass up free crackers!

you gotta do it for you, not others

Originally posted by Silver Stardust
About the "religion being taken out of schools being responisble for school shootings" thing...religion was never supposed to be in public schools to begin with, so that can hardly be responsibly. No. A reason there's more school shootings is because kids these days are put under a terrible amount of pressure, and sadly a few think that's the only outlet. It has nothing to do with the absence or presence of religion. And there have been many more deaths because of religion than because of school shootings.

About the Catholic church...how can anyone believe anything said by them, with all the corruption it's had in the past and all the current scandals? I sure wouldn't believe anyone or anything that can't even practice what they preach...hence why I no longer consider myself a Catholic.

About someone saying that they are Christian...if someone believes that they follow a certain religion, they do. You can't tell someone that they aren't Christian because they don't act how you believe they should.

About taking the communion if you're not a believer...do I even need to dispute that?

I believe I've said all I want to for the moment...

Oh, DR...😂

🙂 Religion has been taken out of schools, and i'm not meaning it was taught, but alot of kids were told they wasn't allowed to pray at their own graduation, that to me is wrng, they are a kid and they have that choice. People are even disputing the pledge of Allegiences cuz it had God in it.

Catholic churches, no one is perfect and just cuz some on the churches are in scandal, doesn't meant that that has happened in all churchs. Thats like saying, A white guy robs a store and you hold it agains all white people, thats not right i don't thk.

About being a christian, the Bible does have a guidline to follow, if you're out committing adultry then turn around and call yourself a christian does that make you a christian?? Saying you're a christian is NOT what makes you a christain & i wasn't meaning you shld go around telling people they are not christians, I said, you will KNOW if they are or not by the way they act.

I gave scriptures above on communion, which someone was asking questions about it does state what will happen if you do that and you're life is not right w/christ. 🙂 🙂

we just have diff opinions 🙂

Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
🙂 Religion has been taken out of schools, and i'm not meaning it was taught, but alot of kids were told they wasn't allowed to pray at their own graduation, that to me is wrng, they are a kid and they have that choice. People are even disputing the pledge of Allegiences cuz it had God in it.

But your logic makes no sense; if the kids wanting to pray are Christian anyway, they're not going to shoot up the school, so it shouldn't make a difference whether or not THEY are allowed to pray. As for the Pledge of Allegience, don't even try to tell me the that because some people wanted to remove the word "God," all of a sudden schools are going to become unwholesome, sinful places. It's one ****ing word, nobody is going to decide not to commit a violent act based on it.

FE -- organized prayer is not allowed during school time. If someone wants to pray to themselves, that's okay. So if someone wants to silently say a prayer during their graduation, they can, so long as they aren't making anyone else do it.

actually it's legal to say it out loud at your graduation, there was just some peeps trying to say it wasn't, and it is. The kid has that right. 🙂 🙂

by the way, like your sig

Originally posted by Darth Revan
But your logic makes no sense; if the kids wanting to pray are Christian anyway, they're not going to shoot up the school, so it shouldn't make a difference whether or not THEY are allowed to pray. As for the Pledge of Allegience, don't even try to tell me the that because some people wanted to remove the word "God," all of a sudden schools are going to become unwholesome, sinful places. It's one ****ing word, nobody is going to decide not to commit a violent act based on it.

Yes, it's their legal right to pray. I wasn't meaning it shld be made for anyone to do it, i do thk that would be wrong. But if they chose to it's their legal right.