Heh, Tpt, how come I could totally see you doing that? 😂
Me, though...I was raised Catholic, I went to church, made my communion...but my mom also respected my choice to stop going to church. I've always loved science and have been a very scientifically minded person, so I always questioned the Bible and such...and finally decided that I don't believe that there's a god or anything.
FE> God is not "being taken out" of schools, God was never IN schools. I don't know where you get this idea. Just to be on the safe side, I went and asked my mom (who was born in '49) if she was ever taught about Christianity (other than from a historical standpoint) in public school. She said that no, public schools have always been secular. So your argument doesn't really hold up very well.
I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school my whole life. In my case, this was the worst thing for me. I was always a kid who looked at the whole picture and drew my own conclusions. What this meant for me was seeing all the hypocrisy of the church and it eventually led me to turn my back on it.
Attending Catholic school wasn't free either. My parents paid x amount of dollars for me to go. But they also paid less for me to go than a non-Catholic student. But the funny thing was that it wasn't really any cheaper for me than it was a non-Catholic student. Lets say the school charged me $100 to attend for a month...they charged a non-Catholic student $150 a month. But as a Catholic student, my parents recieved a little blue envelope in the mail every month and they were required to give at least $50 a month to the church for me to recieve the Catholic tuition rate. So, it wasn't really any cheaper...the church just required me to give to both the school AND the church.
After several incidents that led me to my own conclusions about the church I started ripping up the little blue envelope when it came in the mail. I decided that if my parents were going to pay just as much as a non-Catholic, I'd rather all the money went to the school than some to the church itself. When the Bishop comes to your school and tells the entire student body they need to be sacrificing and striving to help their fellow man when in need and then goes out and gets into his brand new mercedes and drives off in to the sunset to one of the three or four homes he owns, you start to think that maybe there's something off.
Originally posted by Darth Revan
FE> God is not "being taken out" of schools, God was never IN schools. I don't know where you get this idea. Just to be on the safe side, I went and asked my mom (who was born in '49) if she was ever taught about Christianity (other than from a historical standpoint) in public school. She said that no, public schools have always been secular. So your argument doesn't really hold up very well.
🙂 Srry Darth, you misunderstood what i was talking about. I wasn't meaning, Religion was Taught in schools. God is being taken out of school by, Not letting kids pray at their own graduations, people are NOW complaing about the pledge of Allegience (they are wanting God taken out of that), schools that have the 10 Commandments on the wall, they want those off the walls cuz it offends someone. Well, what about it offending the christians?? Apparently that doesn't matter anymore. That is how God is being taken out of schools.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school my whole life. In my case, this was the worst thing for me. I was always a kid who looked at the whole picture and drew my own conclusions. What this meant for me was seeing all the hypocrisy of the church and it eventually led me to turn my back on it.Attending Catholic school wasn't free either. My parents paid x amount of dollars for me to go. But they also paid less for me to go than a non-Catholic student. But the funny thing was that it wasn't really any cheaper for me than it was a non-Catholic student. Lets say the school charged me $100 to attend for a month...they charged a non-Catholic student $150 a month. But as a Catholic student, my parents recieved a little blue envelope in the mail every month and they were required to give at least $50 a month to the church for me to recieve the Catholic tuition rate. So, it wasn't really any cheaper...the church just required me to give to both the school AND the church.
After several incidents that led me to my own conclusions about the church I started ripping up the little blue envelope when it came in the mail. I decided that if my parents were going to pay just as much as a non-Catholic, I'd rather all the money went to the school than some to the church itself. When the Bishop comes to your school and tells the entire student body they need to be sacrificing and striving to help their fellow man when in need and then goes out and gets into his brand new mercedes and drives off in to the sunset to one of the three or four homes he owns, you start to think that maybe there's something off.
Hypocricy, is everywhere. I do see what you are saying about that, but my question to you would, What did God do to you? People have choices in life, even tho they may say they are a christian, you can tell by the way a person acts if they are or not. Going to church, being a Youth Pastor, Bishop, Sunday school teacher, Pasor or Priest does not make you a christian. If your eyes are on man, they are off of God. When you see someone doing hypocrisy, you shld pray for them, I mean they are doing it, not God.
This God thingie...get's all the accolades for all the good things on earth and in the cosmos but when bad or ugly or cruel things are committed it is the fallable humans that are blamed and this God takes a quiet back seat.
If man was made in God's image the punter who made him made an a**e of the job !
Either that or the creatures made in his image were a real mistake, ( and the creator is fallable ), or he was playing a joke on us !
Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
🙂 Srry Darth, you misunderstood what i was talking about. I wasn't meaning, Religion was Taught in schools. God is being taken out of school by, Not letting kids pray at their own graduations, people are NOW complaing about the pledge of Allegience (they are wanting God taken out of that), schools that have the 10 Commandments on the wall, they want those off the walls cuz it offends someone. Well, what about it offending the christians?? Apparently that doesn't matter anymore. That is how God is being taken out of schools.
The thing about the pledge, I really could give a shit since I don't say it anyways, and most of my teachers don't mind. It is a little ridiculous, especially since students are not forced to say it.
About the Ten Commandments though... The Ten Commandments have NEVER been hung on the walls of public schools and never should be. If a Christian family wants their kid to see that every day, they should send them to a Christian school. Personally I will think it a little odd if I walk into math class one day and see the Commandments hanging on the wall. And if I was Muslim or Hindu or something, yes, I would find it offensive. But comparatively, if I was Hindu, I would not be offended if I didn't see a picture of Ganesh in every room. I would also understand if it had been there before but was taken down.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school my whole life. In my case, this was the worst thing for me. I was always a kid who looked at the whole picture and drew my own conclusions. What this meant for me was seeing all the hypocrisy of the church and it eventually led me to turn my back on it.Attending Catholic school wasn't free either. My parents paid x amount of dollars for me to go. But they also paid less for me to go than a non-Catholic student. But the funny thing was that it wasn't really any cheaper for me than it was a non-Catholic student. Lets say the school charged me $100 to attend for a month...they charged a non-Catholic student $150 a month. But as a Catholic student, my parents recieved a little blue envelope in the mail every month and they were required to give at least $50 a month to the church for me to recieve the Catholic tuition rate. So, it wasn't really any cheaper...the church just required me to give to both the school AND the church.
After several incidents that led me to my own conclusions about the church I started ripping up the little blue envelope when it came in the mail. I decided that if my parents were going to pay just as much as a non-Catholic, I'd rather all the money went to the school than some to the church itself. When the Bishop comes to your school and tells the entire student body they need to be sacrificing and striving to help their fellow man when in need and then goes out and gets into his brand new mercedes and drives off in to the sunset to one of the three or four homes he owns, you start to think that maybe there's something off.
damn Capt..........our Bishop is nothing like that.....drives a 1990 Corsica..........but then he's capaciun (sp) maybe thats why, I think they take a vow of poverty. My parents also paid for Catholic education. I had some questions about my faith, I didnt turn my back on it wholly tho.....I currently just exclude the things I dont believe in.......if that makes me a bad Catholic so be it.
Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
Hypocricy, is everywhere. I do see what you are saying about that, but my question to you would, What did God do to you? People have choices in life, even tho they may say they are a christian, you can tell by the way a person acts if they are or not. Going to church, being a Youth Pastor, Bishop, Sunday school teacher, Pasor or Priest does not make you a christian. If your eyes are on man, they are off of God. When you see someone doing hypocrisy, you shld pray for them, I mean they are doing it, not God.
Let me express something that you may have missed. My problem is not with "god". My problem is with organized religions. Religion wasn't created by god...it was created by the men who seek to use gods name to benefit themselves. Sure, I know Jesus said all that you are the rock I build my church on stuff. But I believe Jesus to be a real person. I don't doubt his very good intentions, but we see that a man who taught peace and acceptance has had his name used to committ some of the most atrocious acts in human history...
DR - you're right about the pres always being a religious man, every president we've had (but one) was Protestant, and the one we've had that wasn't (Kennedy) was a Catholic. This country will never elect a president who isn't religious.
FE - you keep saying that not allowing prayer and not having the 10 Commandments in public school offends the Christians. Number 1, I have many friends who are religious and Christian, and I never once heard them complain or claim to be offended by it not being allowed and not being there. Number 2, there are other religions than Christianity. What about the people who are of other religions who may be offended by it being there? Better it not be there at all.
Originally posted by Darth Revan
The thing about the pledge, I really could give a shit since I don't say it anyways, and most of my teachers don't mind. It is a little ridiculous, especially since students are not forced to say it.About the Ten Commandments though... The Ten Commandments have NEVER been hung on the walls of public schools and never should be. If a Christian family wants their kid to see that every day, they should send them to a Christian school. Personally I will think it a little odd if I walk into math class one day and see the Commandments hanging on the wall. And if I was Muslim or Hindu or something, yes, I would find it offensive. But comparatively, if I was Hindu, I would not be offended if I didn't see a picture of Ganesh in every room. I would also understand if it had been there before but was taken down.
umm 🙂 Becareful saying NEVER, because i know of a school right now, that has the 10 commandments on the wall, yes it is a public school.