You like religion here...so....

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Let me express something that you may have missed. My problem is not with "god". My problem is with organized religions. Religion wasn't created by god...it was created by the men who seek to use gods name to benefit themselves. Sure, I know Jesus said all that you are the rock I build my church on stuff. But I believe Jesus to be a real person. I don't doubt his very good intentions, but we see that a man who taught peace and acceptance has had his name used to committ some of the most atrocious acts in human history...

Meaning what? 😉

Originally posted by Silver Stardust
DR - you're right about the pres always being a religious man, every president we've had (but one) was Protestant, and the one we've had that wasn't (Kennedy) was a Catholic. This country will never elect a president who isn't religious.

FE - you keep saying that not allowing prayer and not having the 10 Commandments in public school offends the Christians. Number 1, I have many friends who are religious and Christian, and I never once heard them complain or claim to be offended by it not being allowed and not being there. Number 2, there are other religions than Christianity. What about the people who are of other religions who may be offended by it being there? Better it not be there at all.

🙂 Thats my point. You can't tell 1 you can't pray cuz it offends an atheists, then the atheists gets their way. You can't take one away to please the other is my point. We all have a freedom of speech and religion. There's has been many places where kids were told they couldn't pray at their graduation, NO WAY would that stop me, thats ridiculous.

If it's a public school, then prayer should not be allowed. We didn't have any sort of prayer at my graduation and no one complained about it. The point of seperation of church and state is that NO religion has a place in school. If the 10 commandments were allowed, to appease the Christians, then they'd also have to include the beliefs of Judaism, Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, etc (excuse me, I don't know what they're all called). It's better to have none of it. If you want to pray, do it on your own time instead of during school time.

Becareful saying NEVER, because i know of a school right now, that has the 10 commandments on the wall, yes it is a public school.

Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
Meaning what? 😉

Meaning there is apparently no point in explaining

another words you don't know what you meant when you said that?

I went to a catholic highschool so there were of course a lot of gatherings and liturgies where we said prayers. It didn't bother me until I became an atheist in the last two years of my education. Although I didn't really participate anymore I knew that I had no right to complain when I had to sit through the gatherings while most people prayed, because it was my choice to be at that school after all. I don't think any religion has a place in any public school CURRICULUM, that isn't to say that people shouldn't be allowed to pray by themselves.

If someone wants to pray at THEIR graduation they shld be allowed to, wich they can now and do. As long as it's student lead, its their choice.

Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
another words you don't know what you meant when you said that?

Spoken like a true evangelical thug.

Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
If someone wants to pray at THEIR graduation they shld be allowed to, wich they can now and do. As long as it's student lead, its their choice.

Sure, as long as they don't make other people feel obligated to do the same. I chose not to pray at my graduation, but I didn't make any fuss about it so I don't think anyone minded.

I agree w/you white eagle NO one shld be made to pray, it's a choice.

Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
umm 🙂 Becareful saying NEVER, because i know of a school right now, that has the 10 commandments on the wall, yes it is a public school.

My apologies if I think it a little archaic, to say the least. And also very odd that the constitution clearly states that religion and the government are to be separate. Public school is a government-funded organization, and should also be separate from religion. It is unconstitutional to do otherwise.

But, takes Boldness for it to be done. 🙂

Legally, that public school CAN be closed, but the riots in the streets afterwards prevents that from happening.

It is what America was founded on. the 10 commandments were on the wall at the white house, IN GOD WE TRUST in on our money, if it wasn't what America was founded on, then how & why did we put it on our money? & hang the 10 commandments up in the white house?

because they were religous freaks.

Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
It is what America was founded on. the 10 commandments were on the wall at the white house, IN GOD WE TRUST in on our money, if it wasn't what America was founded on, then how & why did we put it on our money? & hang the 10 commandments up in the white house?

How far in high school did you get? Because I've known about separation of church and state for as long as I can remember. You really need to study the constitution if you think religion is what our country was founded on...

It is what America was founded on

Why is "IN GOD WE TRUST" in the pledge of Allegience and on our money? whats the reason for doing that? purpose for it?

First of all it aint in god we trust in the pledge of allegiance It is UNDER GOD and that part was added to the pledge 1952, the in god we trust was added to the dollar bill in 1953, on the coins they came in 1861. All of them long after the forming of the US