Usually when I find these threads I say Superman and then use a comparison of powers to prove the point now I'm going to Supes for another reason. I can't accurately gauge Goku's power. Allow me to explain. At the Beginning of Z Radditz the weakest opponent they faced in that series was stated to move faster than the speed of light, but later Goku claimed that the fastest movement was 'Instant Translocation' which basically allows the user to move at light speed. Goku's strength also fluctuates wildly making him stronger and weaker at random intervals (SSJ4 and couldn't lift a building?). Goku's energy blasts also seem to be weaker than they should be. Claim about his ability to control energy all you want against the likes of Cell and Buu he should of been firing beams that level entire mountain ranges and yet only Gohan (courtesy of Piccilo throwing him full force) and possibly Frieza have destroyed one without effort. The writers seem to have no concept of the laws of physics, either because they thought the target audience was too young to understand or because none of them paid attention in school. Goku's powers seem to raise or lower without any real reason. Supermans stays at a constant or if rising or lowering an explanation is provided. So although I like Goku more than Supes I giving my vote to the man with red underpants
Originally posted by crazyspinz
umm, in like the first episode of dbz they went light speed they are like 10000xs faster now, supes can only lift 100 tons, and goku is way more power full, he could blow up a solor system without breaking a sweat
intelligence at its finest.
in the first episode they went the speed of light? Oh really....and who exactly was moving THAT fast? hmmmm?
Piccolo said it in umm...i believe the 2nd episode. And he said "he must be going near the speed of light" which was a gross exageration at best considering in the Vegeta Saga when Goku used his Kaio Ken technique he was most certainly NOT traveling at the speed of light. Light travels so fast that the human eye cannot even see it, yet Yajerobi (sp) was able to see whisps and traces of Goku's battle with Vegeta.
I've seen Superman travel around a planet so fast that he was able to reverse it's rotation. Goku ever done that?
(little problem with comparing comics to cartoons...they have to slow down cartoons for you to see them.)
Where did you read that Superman can only lift 100 tons? He pushed a planet off it's orbit. A planet rivaling the size of earth. Please tell me how that requires only 100 tons of strength....
"he could blow up a solor system without breaking a sweat"
Prove your claim...when has he ever done something even remotely close to that. He doesn't even fight in space, so i don't see how you could say he can blow up a whole solar system, let alone 2 planets at the same time. (Say Earth and Mars)
Keep trying....
Originally posted by Ytaker
Doesn't Superman have thousands of years of fight training? In comaparisen with Goku who forgets to pull his foot back to kick?
actually you couldnt be more wrong-er, the first time goku died he spent hundreds of years in other world,training with king kai and his monkey and grasshoppper.the 2nd time he died he spent 11000 years there, training every single day of his life to compete in the other world's martial arts tournament. as time moves a lot faster there it only seemed like a few years to his freinds and family. and if you remember that the sayians get stronger after every battle, after recovering from near death experiences(when vegeta begged to be injured within an inch of his life so Dende could revive him and make him stronger) and or extremely rigorous training session. so i thinnk goku has superman in that department
damn this thread. there are a couple things i think. i am not going to check for flaming responses either. DBZ should -never- be put in the same thread as marvel or dc. DC and marvel can be somewhat compared to each other but should still be pitted against thier own universe........
so in review...... DBZ SUCKS BIG HAIRY BALLS.
Originally posted by manjaro
actually you couldnt be more wrong-er, the first time goku died he spent hundreds of years in other world,training with king kai and his monkey and grasshoppper.the 2nd time he died he spent 11000 years there, training every single day of his life to compete in the other world's martial arts tournament. as time moves a lot faster there it only seemed like a few years to his freinds and family. and if you remember that the sayians get stronger after every battle, after recovering from near death experiences(when vegeta begged to be injured within an inch of his life so Dende could revive him and make him stronger) and or extremely rigorous training session. so i thinnk goku has superman in that department
True- Hadn't thought of that. But Superman could still beat up Goku, as almost all of Goku's foes are useless at fighting, but still knock him about a bit. Superman could hold his own. He's still stronger and faster, and more enduring, if only a distant second in martial arts. The death thing wouldn't count, as it really isn't Goku's style to attack Superman after superman save's his life.
Originally posted by Linkalicious
intelligence at its finest.in the first episode they went the speed of light? Oh really....and who exactly was moving THAT fast? hmmmm?
Piccolo said it in umm...i believe the 2nd episode. And he said "he must be going near the speed of light" which was a gross exageration at best considering in the Vegeta Saga when Goku used his Kaio Ken technique he was most certainly NOT traveling at the speed of light. Light travels so fast that the human eye cannot even see it, yet Yajerobi (sp) was able to see whisps and traces of Goku's battle with Vegeta.
I've seen Superman travel around a planet so fast that he was able to reverse it's rotation. Goku ever done that?
(little problem with comparing comics to cartoons...they have to slow down cartoons for you to see them.)
Where did you read that Superman can only lift 100 tons? He pushed a planet off it's orbit. A planet rivaling the size of earth. Please tell me how that requires only 100 tons of strength....
"he could blow up a solor system without breaking a sweat"
Prove your claim...when has he ever done something even remotely close to that. He doesn't even fight in space, so i don't see how you could say he can blow up a whole solar system, let alone 2 planets at the same time. (Say Earth and Mars)
Keep trying....
some of your points are good, but the majority of the ones are idiotic, especially the "has goku ever done that?" Umm... why WOULD he want to reverse the rotation of a planet? You do realize that by doing so you would sling every thing on the planet that isnt part of the actual geography (like trees, people, animals, etc) would go hurling off into space...
And about being able to see them at "light speed". In dbz, it seems that the stronger you are, the better you are at seeing as well. Hence if someone is weak, they cannot see the battle for itself, and have to rely on the stronger to give descriptions, yet later on, once the weaker grow in strength, they can watch battles that are much faster than the ones they couldn't see before.
I know that logic is flawed, but its an anime, logic has no place in those for the most part. Like during goku's fight with freeza, they were moving faster than the speed of light, hence the black and white scenes with the color smeared of where they had been nano seconds ago.
Originally posted by Kontraz
some of your points are good, but the majority of the ones are idiotic, especially the "has goku ever done that?" Umm... why WOULD he want to reverse the rotation of a planet? You do realize that by doing so you would sling every thing on the planet that isnt part of the actual geography (like trees, people, animals, etc) would go hurling off into space...And about being able to see them at "light speed". In dbz, it seems that the stronger you are, the better you are at seeing as well. Hence if someone is weak, they cannot see the battle for itself, and have to rely on the stronger to give descriptions, yet later on, once the weaker grow in strength, they can watch battles that are much faster than the ones they couldn't see before.
I know that logic is flawed, but its an anime, logic has no place in those for the most part. Like during goku's fight with freeza, they were moving faster than the speed of light, hence the black and white scenes with the color smeared of where they had been nano seconds ago.
1. I believe he forced it to go back in time. Not slow down first and then speed it up. Otherwise you're right, the inertia would collapse. Goku couldn't do this, as his speed isn't great enough
2. You can't see light speed no matter how fast you are. Your brain takes photos 26 times a second, but even a camera can't take light speed photos. There'd be too much friction, and information to process(at least for a saiyan/human).
3. He has instant transportation. This is as fast as he can go. He turns into light. Otherwise he'd die as his relatively weak body (against knifes, needles etc) was cut by rogue air molecules that went at the speed of light. That’s why Superman loses to Flash on earth; he can’t go too fast in an airy environment. Flash’s speed force protects him from that probably.
Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality. But we can find out how things happen in stories. You can't just say that it's got no rules. The mind is a fearsome thing; if we put it to use there is no problem we can't solve.
Originally posted by Kontraz
some of your points are good, but the majority of the ones are idiotic, especially the "has goku ever done that?" Umm... why WOULD he want to reverse the rotation of a planet? You do realize that by doing so you would sling every thing on the planet that isnt part of the actual geography (like trees, people, animals, etc) would go hurling off into space...And about being able to see them at "light speed". In dbz, it seems that the stronger you are, the better you are at seeing as well. Hence if someone is weak, they cannot see the battle for itself, and have to rely on the stronger to give descriptions, yet later on, once the weaker grow in strength, they can watch battles that are much faster than the ones they couldn't see before.
I know that logic is flawed, but its an anime, logic has no place in those for the most part. Like during goku's fight with freeza, they were moving faster than the speed of light, hence the black and white scenes with the color smeared of where they had been nano seconds ago.
Note: I didn't say Earth, i said a planet. How many planets do you know of other than Earth that have trees, people, and animals?
I agree that by perhaps the Freeza saga, he was traveling at the speed of light, but the arguement I was making was that he wasn't traveling at the speed of light when Piccolo pointed it out early in the saga.
The reason I stated Superman reverseing the rotation of the planet was to show that the feat itself required someone to travel well beyond the speed of light in order to actually do it.
I'm not sitting here trying to prove that Superman is going to win the fight, I'm just trying to prove to you that Superman is a good fight for Goku. You're the one trying to prove that Goku would destroy Superman without any effort.
i everything about goku and ALL the superman.when all is said done will kill. post-crisis superman in a fight even if he has a lil,lil strength over goku But that the only version of supes goku can defeat in a fight. dont even start with drangon ball at end gt.the reason is because not even all there powers are infinit the dragon said himself in th z saga.if any one wants to bring it up then ok.even if he can defeat pre-supes because the dragon balls are magic then he defintly cant beat pre-sup with his sword with was created by the big bang itself.with gives pre-supes unlimited power over all.
Goku was able to blow up planets before he turned Super Saiyan. And by the time he reached Super Saiyan 3, he was over 100,000 times stronger. He could blow up a solar system easily at Super Saiyan 1. He was able to blow up a sun of a solar system.
People here are saying that Superman would win because they like him more, and because they think dbz is gay. But the truth is that Goku could beat him at 1/1000th of his strength. Look at the first episode of dbz, when goku is carrying a 100 ton tree. He did that when his power level was at 150. When he got to Super Saiyan 3, he was at 15,000,000 power level in normal form, and 450,000,000 power level at SS3 form.
Make yourselves feel better by saying that superman wins and that dbz is gay, but you're wrong and everyone knows that.
Dbz is too inaccurate to decide a winner on. All I remember about the "first" episode is raditz catching a bullet then throwing it at the farmer to kill him. *That* was indeed hilarious but I digress. I don't know if that was the actual first episode or not.
Earlier somebody mentioned in GT they were having trouble holding up a building.
Originally posted by Cosmic_Beings
Make yourselves feel better by saying that superman wins and that dbz is gay, but you're wrong and everyone knows that.
That's yet to be disproven. Although I wouldn't use the word "gay" to describe it.
Originally posted by Paptimus
It's ridiculous that this thread won't stay dead. But in a way it's ironic. Just like Dragonball Z. No matter how lame the plot, how boring the characters, how absurd the premise, the series won't stay dead.Now that's funny. 😆
Haha, that's so true. When my nieces and nephews are watching dbz I'll have to shout "GOKUGOESSUPERSAIYANAFTERKRILLINGETSSTABBEDANDTHATPARTSFUNNYANDTHENGOKUWINS!!"
Did I break the frames?
Originally posted by Cosmic_Beings
You stupid hypocrites. When the Dbz live action movie comes out, you'll act as if you knew all about dbz for years and you always liked it, because it will become very popular. but I'll always be tehre to point that out.
Are you speaking from experience? Not everybody jumps on the bandwagon. And I *have* known all about dbz for years. I used to be a fan when I was like 14. I liked the animation of the earlier episodes but now I'm so burned out on multi-episode charge ups, the slow time-to-episode ratio, and the repetative plot.