Originally posted by Linkalicious
intelligence at its finest.in the first episode they went the speed of light? Oh really....and who exactly was moving THAT fast? hmmmm?
Piccolo said it in umm...i believe the 2nd episode. And he said "he must be going near the speed of light" which was a gross exageration at best considering in the Vegeta Saga when Goku used his Kaio Ken technique he was most certainly NOT traveling at the speed of light. Light travels so fast that the human eye cannot even see it, yet Yajerobi (sp) was able to see whisps and traces of Goku's battle with Vegeta.
I've seen Superman travel around a planet so fast that he was able to reverse it's rotation. Goku ever done that?
(little problem with comparing comics to cartoons...they have to slow down cartoons for you to see them.)
Where did you read that Superman can only lift 100 tons? He pushed a planet off it's orbit. A planet rivaling the size of earth. Please tell me how that requires only 100 tons of strength....
"he could blow up a solor system without breaking a sweat"
Prove your claim...when has he ever done something even remotely close to that. He doesn't even fight in space, so i don't see how you could say he can blow up a whole solar system, let alone 2 planets at the same time. (Say Earth and Mars)
Keep trying....
Those all sound like pre-crisis events and pre-crisis superman was like jesus. But stronger
Pre-Crisis Supes was the version of Superman that was moving planets and going back through time with his powers (a..k.a., Jeebus with a cape). And also coming up with damn near a new power for every situation. Post-Crisis is the Supes you see now, still powerful, but a little more down to earth. And, his powers are pretty much set now, as in he's not coming up with new shit every week. That's all put in the simplest of terms of course.
Originally posted by lightaxe
Those all sound like pre-crisis events and pre-crisis superman was like jesus. But stronger
And when they mention pre-crisis....when is this crisis? Is this the Crisis of the Inifinite Earths? because that was the worst comic story arc I've ever bought. 😘
Originally posted by Linkalicious
well if you can count Goku at Super Saiyen 4....then why wouldn't you be able to count pre-crisis superman.And when they mention pre-crisis....when is this crisis? Is this the Crisis of the Inifinite Earths? because that was the worst comic story arc I've ever bought. 😘
because current goku can go super saiyan 4 current superman isnt as strong as before, these are current versions.
Originally posted by lightaxe
because current goku can go super saiyan 4 current superman isnt as strong as before, these are current versions.
Current Goku?
That show isn't current, that show is years old.
If we're talking strongest manifestations...then Supes wins.
Go ahead and make stipulations to make your favorite anime character win...but if you go strongest version vs. strongest version...or better yet. ORIGINAL vs. ORIGINAL.
The man of steel wins.
Originally posted by Cosmic_Beings
Hmmm.... have to look into it, but face it, Goku is far more powerful than Superman period. I'll come back after I find out about SM prime and give you an honest answer.
Goku is in the same class as Wiley Coyote and Popeye. You can't tell if Popeye can beat Bane can you?
TO Cosmic_Beings
Superman's Super-Powers
Super-Speed and Flight | Super-Strength | Invulnerability | X-Ray Vision | Super-Hearing | Super-Breath | Vocal Powers | Super-Intellect | Miscellaneous
See also Photonucleic Effect, The
The super-powers of the man of steel are legendary - the whole world marvels at his invulnerability, super-speed, super-strength, and other super-skills!
Derivation of the Super-Powers
Superman's super-powers are by and large, extraordinary magnifications of ordinary human abilities. Just as an ordinary man can hurl a baseball, Superman can hurl an entire Planet. Just as an ordinary man can see across the room, Superman can see across the universe.
Compared with the powers he possesses today, however, the powers employed by Superman in the early texts are modest indeed. Action Comics # 1 (1938), the first comic book in which Superman appeared, claimed only that its hero could "leap 1/8th of a mile; hurdle a twenty-story building... raise tremendous weights... run faster than an express train... and that nothing less than a bursting shell could penetrate his skin!"
As the years passed, however, the chroniclers endowed the Man of Steel with ever more spectacular powers to enable him to meet ever more exacting challenges. Today Superman can withstand the heat at the core of the sun, soar through the air at a speed thousands of times the speed of light, and extinguish a star with a puff of his breath as though it were merely a candle on a birthday cake.
Along with a steady expansion of Superman's powers has come a series of changing explanations of how he came to acquire those powers. Action Comics # 1, for example, contains this scientific explanation of his amazing strength:
Kent had come from a Planet whose inhabitants' physical structure was millions of years advanced of our own. Upon reaching maturity, the people of his race became gifted with titanic strength!
Incredible? No! For even today on our world exist creatures with super-strength!
The lowly ant can support weights hundreds of times its own. The grasshopper leaps what to a man would be the space of several city blocks.
(see 1939 scientific explanation)
For approximately the first decade of Superman's career, the texts advanced the thesis that Superman's powers were merely those possessed by all the inhabitants of his native Planet. These texts described the men and women of Krypton as a "super-race" who were gifted with X-ray vision and other powers and who were thousands of eons ahead of earthlings, both mentally and physically.
By the late 1940s, however, the texts had begun to describe the people of Krypton as more or less ordinary human beings and to attribute Superman's powers to the vast differences between the gravitational pull and atmospheric conditions of Krypton and those of the Planet Earth. In the words of Superman #58,
Everyone knows that Superman is a being from another Planet, unburdened by the vastly weaker gravity of Earth. But not everyone understands how gravity affects strength! If you were on a world smaller than ours, you could jump over high buildings, lift enormous weights... and thus duplicate some of the feats of the Man of Steel!
Subsequent texts continued to cite the importance of the gravitational difference between Earth and Krypton while laying increasingly greater stress on the significance of Krypton's unique atmosphere in accounting for the awesome powers a Kryptonian acquired once he was free of his native Planet. "Obviously, Krypton is such an unusual Planet," Superman's father, Jor-El, once noted, "that when a native Kryptonian is elsewhere, free of Krypton's unique atmosphere and tremendous gravitational pull, he becomes a superman!" (Superman #113, May 1957)
Since, according to this theory, Superman owes the existence of his super-powers to the fact that he is no longer on the Planet Krypton, it follows that Superman has no super-powers wherever atmospheric and gravitational conditions prevail that are identical to those of his native Planet. This can befall Superman whenever he journeys through the time barrier to Krypton at a time prior to its destruction or visits the bottle city of Kandor.
According to a revised theory of Superman's powers, first advanced in 1960, the Man of Steel derives his super-powers partly from the lesser gravity of Earth and partly from the unique ultra solar rays that penetrate Earth day and night.
"These rays," explains Superman to Supergirl in March 1960, "can only affect people who were born in other solar systems than Earth's! And only yellow starts like Earth's sun emit those super-energy rays! On Planets of non-yellow suns, we would not be super-powered, even under the low gravity!"
This theory is further refined in Superman # 146, in which Superman's muscular powers - super-strength, super-breath, super-speed, and the power of flight - are attributed to Earth's light gravity, while his super-senses and mental powers - X-ray vision and other optical powers, super-hearing, and various intellectual powers - are attributed to the ultra solar rays of Earth's yellow sun.
In the logic of this latest refinement, all Kryptonian objects acquire indestructibility in the yellow-sun environment of Earth, and all native Kryptonians - such as Supergirl or Krypto the Superdog - acquire super-powers identical to Superman's. However, the indestructibility of these objects and the super-powers of the various Kryptonian survivors remain proportional to what they would have been had they remained in their native Kryptonian environment.
Because Superman is now said the derive his powers, in part, from the ultra solar rays of Earth's yellow sun, he has no powers on any Planet revolving about a red sun, such as the Planet Lexor.
The mighty super-powers that Superman employs today are the products of a gradual evolution spanning decades of texts. Following is an inventory of Superman's super-powers, along with the history and evolution of each super-power.
Super-Speed and the Power of Flight
"From the west, over the city, streaked a familiar red-and-blue figure, grim, determined, dwarfed by the adversary that threatened to deal the city a crushing blow." (Miracle Monday 4)
In the early years of his super-heroic career, Superman was not endowed with the power of flight. Although he possessed superhuman speed, he moved from place to place by running or by executing gigantic leaps. Month by month, however, Superman's running speed increased, along with the length of his leaps and the complexity of the aerial maneuvers he was able to perform once he had left the ground. The transition from leaping to actual flying was extraordinarily gradual and was punctuated with a great deal of inconsistency. Not until May 1943 is Superman explicitly referred to as a "being who can fly like a bird" and not until later that same year can it be said, without qualification, that Superman actually possesses the power of flight.
By 1945, Superman is able to fly from Metropolis to Burma in the wink of an eye. "Light travels 186,000 miles a second, but has nothing on Superman," notes the text, "who finds himself hovering over the jungles of Burma in the wink of an eye!"
In November 1946, Superman demonstrates the ability to stand invisibly on one spot by oscillating his body so fast that the human eye cannot see him. During this same period, Superman protects bystanders at a navy yard from the effects of a devastating explosion by spinning around the blast area at super-speed. With the speed of light, Superman makes a wall of his revolving body, through which the expanding gases of the explosive cannot penetrate. Then, funneling upward, Superman directs the blast toward the sky.
In August 1947, Superman successfully photographs a series of past events by flying into outer space faster than the speed of light and overtaking the light waves leaving Earth which contain the images of the events he wants to record on film.
Later in 1947, Superman single-handedly constructs an entire underground city in a matter of seconds. (Superman #48) During this same period, Superman uses his command of super-speed to travel through the time barrier into the past.
Virtually all texts agree that to penetrate the time barrier, Superman must move at a speed exceeding that of light.
Super-Strength
There have been many strong men in the world, but none with the amazing power of Superman, whose rippling steel muscles can blast boulders to dust and move mountains.
Like Superman's other powers, his strength has been continually magnified over the years.
In June 1938, Superman, described as a man of titanic strength with the ability to raise tremendous weights, lifts an automobile over his head with one hand, shakes its hoodlum occupants out on the the ground, then smashes the car to bits against the base of a cliff.
In Spring 1940, when Metropolis is ravaged by a man-made earthquake, Superman supports tottering buildings while terrified occupants dash to safety.
In 1941, Superman swims through a raging flood using only one hand, while holding a mansion aloft with the other hand. To divert the floodwaters, Superman digs a huge, mile-long ditch with his bare hands in a matter of moments.
In 1942, Superman seizes a set of brass knuckles and crushes the cowardly instrument in his palm as easily as though the metal were putty; he smashes his way through the side of a mountain; and, while clinging to the side of a moving train, Superman performs an amazing stunt - he opens a Pullman window! By September of the same year, his strength has grown to the point where he can wrench apart a pair of twin mountain peaks with his bare hands.