goku vs superman

Originally posted by Kontraz
In physics, it takes much less energy to move something than to blow it up (NOT SMASH IT). Actually, your example is only hurting the cause for superman.... whenever someone has mentioned goku blowing up a planet, the supes side says that superman could fly through the planet and do the same damage. Well, its easier to kinetically bash a planet than it is to cause it to explode...

Okay, if my analogy is incorrect, how does it help Goku?

There's really no feats that I've seen on DBZ that I'm not completely sure Superman could survive.

Edit: And I also agree with Link in that anime vs comics is stupid since anime is more likely to break "rules" without make believe reasoning behind it.

Random ramblings on the battle

In a neutral universe. One where it isn't as easy as tying your shoelace to destroy a planet. SS2 super speed is going about 150 metres in a blink, shown by Gohan, which superman could easily matchmummy… Goku’s stupid, so he’d probably get his tail ripped out at SS4. Does loosing the long hair as a SS3 make you revert to saiyan? What advantages can blowing icey breath confer to superman.

in a vs battle you can't put limitations on a character to try to "even them out"! That's like pitting superman against wolverine, but making adamantium breakable and superman slower.... just doesn't work out... Goku could easily destroy a planet, and superman MIGHT be able to survive that, but he wouldn't be able to hold out against that kind of power for long.

which planets has Goku destroyed? Let alone...easily destroyed?

I agree that a vs. fight is a vs. fight, but taking Goku all the way to SSJ4 is like saying Superman PRIME. How many times does Goku go SSJ4 in all of Dragonball (Z, GT...whatever you want) total?

Originally posted by Kontraz
in a vs battle you can't put limitations on a character to try to "even them out"! That's like pitting superman against wolverine, but making adamantium breakable and superman slower.... just doesn't work out... Goku could easily destroy a planet, and superman MIGHT be able to survive that, but he wouldn't be able to hold out against that kind of power for long.

I just want to remind you of the idea i'm proposing; Piccolo, when at a tinsy, babyish power destroyed the moon. Freiza, at a SS1 rivaling level took about six episodes to destroy Namek (his estimate was one episode). Recently i saw a justice league episode where GL was convicted of destroying a planet; apperently his power started a chain reaction in the lava. If planets died that easily then ours would have gone ages ago. Fortunately, they found out that it was a fake. It takes massive power to destroy a planet. The planet destroying fetish in DBZ is rather stupid.

Superman surviving. His resistance to damage is incredible. He can survive the nuclear reactions in the sun, which uses about half a billion tons of material a second. The question is, how fast is Goku at SS4, and how fast is Superman.

well, at supersaiyen 1, goku was faster than the speed of light (watch the few episodes where he's moving and his actual image is blurred behind him and he has to pause to wait for light to catch up with him). And ssj1 is the SLOWEST of all ssj forms....

Well, yeah, Goku isn't very bright academically wise, but when he gets into a battle, he's a fighting geniuse. So, his intellect isn't really a factor in a fight, cause most of his brain power goes to fighting. Remember, he's from a race that does nothing but fight and blow sh*t up, so he can handle pretty much anything in a fight. And Superman is very damn resistant to injury, but he can only take so much before he starts to wear down, and when he wears down, so does the force field protecting him, which can leave him open to a good kamehameha.

And if I remember correctly, in DC mainstream, GL (John Steward) actually did destroy a planet. I don't remember most of the details on it though.

how can you prove that SSJ1 Goku travels the speed of light? Because he's a blur? So is Scooby Doo and Shaggy when they take off running...

Goku is a moron...no way around it. He doesn't turn on his fighting smarts. Superman easily has him beat when it comes to intelligence, both on and off the battlefield.

Originally posted by Linkalicious
how can you prove that SSJ1 Goku travels the speed of light? Because he's a blur? So is Scooby Doo and Shaggy when they take off running...

It was probably because of Piccolo's monologue about his corkscrew demon screw beam dealie. H-HE... WOULD OF HAD TO MOVE FASTER THAN LIGHT TO DODGE THAT! or something like that. It's one of the reasons I don't like DBZ is because they immediately went to an extreme and went off the deep end from the start.

well in THAT case....then i'll say he does travel the speed of light.

But i still think he shares a lot of Scooby Doo-esque qualities. Like his appetite, his intelligence, and "the gang"

Originally posted by Tron
Well, yeah, Goku isn't very bright academically wise, but when he gets into a battle, he's a fighting geniuse.

Cause nothing says "fighting genius" like healing the monster who's trying to destroy the world and then sending your son in to clean up the mess.

Originally posted by Linkalicious
well in THAT case....then i'll say he does travel the speed of light.

But i still think he shares a lot of Scooby Doo-esque qualities. Like his appetite, his intelligence, and "the gang"

I wouldn't even take Piccolo's word for it though. I think Gohan is the only one who even went to school in the DB/Z series and he was a toddler then.

piccollo is one of the first nameks and has hundreds of years of wisdom + whatever it is nameks are taught (they have schools too, i'm guessing, and are pretty smart, seeing as they developed space travel long before we did).

How about we look at the fact that both of these characters are the same Archetype, and a Vegeta vs Superman thread would be much more interesting.

nah, vegeta has all the same advantages goku has over superman (pretty much everything), plus vegeta is much more ruthless.

Originally posted by Kontraz
piccollo is one of the first nameks and has hundreds of years of wisdom + whatever it is nameks are taught (they have schools too, i'm guessing, and are pretty smart, seeing as they developed space travel long before we did).

Piccolo split off some time when Goku was a kid though. I don't remember if Kame and Piccolo got a fair split of the knowledge or what since more and more DBZ knowledge is being forced down in my mind so that I need direct references to remember it.

they re-fused...

Not at the moment of "H-HE... WOULD OF HAD TO MOVE FASTER THAN LIGHT"

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Piccolo split off some time when Goku was a kid though.

Piccolo and Kami split long before Goku was born. I think you mean that Piccolo Daimo died and the current Piccolo was born.