manjarogood point, but thats just the thing. as soon as he conquerd one civilization he would travel thru time and conqer another, then by the time he comes to the future, he may not be ruler anymore but he still has followers, and then the disendants of ancient races have ancient tomes containing his history, thus the whole unlocking his tomb, richly rewarded, blah blah blah. Thanos is the ideal conquerer because he doesnt acknowledge niether good nor evil, he just is.
Thus making him an idiot. He conquers the world and then time travels to another to conquer? Stay the hell in the world you conquer and maintain it. What an idiot. And has he conquered a world in which they are people capable of actually winning against him if the put up a resistence?
Thanos wasn't evil? Then neither is Doom (who thinks the world is better runned under his control, or Carnage (who's insane and just gets a high from killing people) or Joker (same as Carnage). Thanos took over his home world and killed killed mother in the process - then later boost about it as a feat of accomplishment. When he was conquering and killing - he was evil whether he might acknowledge it or not.
And what about Doom who's accomplished more in the world domination depart than Apocalypse ever had. Magneto might not have conquered the world, but he still has more respect and accomplished worthwild goals (Genosha as his home base recognition by the U.N. for one).
pr1983this topic is not about how much apocalypse can conquer, its about him and gladiator goin one on one
And your proof IS? Gladiator is a cosmic level guy that can and has hanged with Silver Surfer, Beta Ray Bill, Thor, etc. A future Gladiator was sent back into the past to kill Thor and almost succeeded if not for the interference of Donald Blake's friend and Tarene/Thor girl.
Apocalypse has beaten WHO by himself?
pr1983the fact is it took all of the xmen plus cyclops sacrificing himself to beat apocalypse, cannonball beat gladiator, does that answer your question?
Obviously you're the kind of poster who doesn't READ the entire or most of the post.
This is what I wrote early in the thread:
Cannonball only got like two or three shots in. Gladiator was handing him his ass for most of the fight. And Kallark wasn't even there for blood, he only wanted the X-Men for a mission...not to kill Cannonball. The whole fight was just for kicks.
So, does this answer your claim?
pr1983i read the posts, dont worry, once cannonball started the fight do you think gladiator was gonna let cannonball beat him? NO, hes too proud, his power is based on his confidence, but people are still claiming gladiator could beat apocalypse, i was reitorating the point. thats all.
He was fighting back, that didn't help him 'cause Gladiator was still kicking his ass. Then he blocked one of Gladiator's punch and got in a few shots and then the fight ended 'cause of interference. Gladiator wasn't even TRYING to kill him - if he did he wouldn't have just used speed and strength but also heat vision and freeze breathe. Wonder Man would beat Cannonball in a fight, and Gladiator manhandled Wonder Man in their fight utilizing his freeze breathe, speed, strength, and heat vision.
the fight ended 'cause of interference
there was no interference, sure gladiator kicked his ass for most of the fight but when it really mattered cannonball knocked him down and when gladiator got back to his feet he was ready to talk.
i'm not saying for one second that cannonball is better than gladiator, just that its an awfully long leap from an x-man to apocalypse
pr1983there was no interference, sure gladiator kicked his ass for most of the fight but when it really mattered cannonball knocked him down and when gladiator got back to his feet he was ready to talk.
i'm not saying for one second that cannonball is better than gladiator, just that its an awfully long leap from an x-man to apocalypse
Talk? They didn't even finish the fight. Cannon got a few shots in; he still wouldn't he won if that fight continued. The X-Men came and so that fight was over. If Gladiator was in for blood lust, Cannonball would've died. Kallark was playing around and holding back, utilizing only two of his powers. All out, Cannonball die.
But is it a long leap from Thor, Wonder Man, or Hulk to Apocalypse? And can Apocalypse even fly?
of course its not a long leap, each of those would stand a chance in a fight with apocalypse, but my argument is not who is stronger, its who is harder to defeat? i know in aoa magneto beat apocalypse. fair enough, but to be honest i always thought of gladiator as a poor mans superman (as u were comparin the two earlier), i just cant see him beating apocalypse on his own. i'm sure eventually kallark woulda beat cannonball, im just sayin that apocalypse hits a lot harder than guthrie. im sure gladiator would give apocalypse one hell of a fight, i dont dispute that at all.
i understand and respect your points but i just cant see kallark beatin apocalypse one on one.
Apocalypse would have potential to win...
Known Superhuman Powers: Apocalypse is a mutant who possesses superhuman strength which he can augment by psionically drawing on outside energy sources. Apocalypse can alter the atomic structure of his body at will in order to change his form. He can even increase his size by taking on additional mass from a presumably extra-dimensional source. Through his ability to alter his form, Apocalypse can give himself virtually any superhuman physical power. Apocalypse's "costume" is actually part of his body, and he can psionically alter its appearance at will. He can levitate himself telekinetically.Apocalypse has an extraordinarily long life span that has already lasted thousands of years. He can survive for weeks without food or water and can rapidly recover from injuries that would prove fatal to normal human beings. In the future, however, his physical form will eventually grow too aged and enfeebled to contain his vast superhuman energies. Hence, he will transfer his consciousness and powers into a succession of host bodies, abandoning each one when it too grows too old to contain his power.
But..so would Gladiator...
I don't know really...but I bet on Apoc.
pr1983
of course its not a long leap, each of those would stand a chance in a fight with apocalypse, but my argument is not who is stronger, its who is harder to defeat? i know in aoa magneto beat apocalypse. fair enough, but to be honest i always thought of gladiator as a poor mans superman (as u were comparin the two earlier), i just cant see him beating apocalypse on his own. i'm sure eventually kallark woulda beat cannonball, im just sayin that apocalypse hits a lot harder than guthrie. im sure gladiator would give apocalypse one hell of a fight, i dont dispute that at all.i understand and respect your points but i just cant see kallark beatin apocalypse one on one.
Thing is, he's not a poor man's Gladiator. Marvel and DC often copy each other's characters. Marvel has duplicated versions of DC character and made these clones better than the originals: Namor, Quick Silver, Thanos, Vision, etc. I don't get why you or some of the other posters see him as just a Superman copy. He, like other Marvel duplicates, are much more and even better than their counter parts. However, alot of other posters on this board love and respect him - more than Superman. The only thing wrong with him is his confidence weakness. Other than that he's leader of the Shi' Ar Imperial Guard with sworn allegiance to Lilandra and a warrior's code of honor. Unlike Superman, Kallark isn't a scout boy who beats up people he shouldn't (Darkseid, Imperiex, etc.) cause his company caters to him. Gladiator > Superman
IMO, his as strong or stronger that Apocalypse and moves at light speed. And unlike Superman, Gladiator's fought at light speed before. Apocalypse is powerful, but is he even going to be able to keep up with Gladiator?