It happend in uncanny x-men 341. Glads wanted to get help from the x-men, started to fight with Cannonball beat him up a little bit, but Cannonball was doing ok. Glads got mad and used all his power in one blow, Cannonball channeled all the kinetic energy from his killer blow and directed it to his force field. Glads lost his confidence and Cannonball punched him away 😆
well it didnt happen like that........... 1) gladiator got back up immediately, and 2) at any time during the fight gladiator could have decimated cannonball. he was toying with him to get the attention of the rest of the x-men. if i recall it was cannonball thinking "just how fast are you??" while he bounced -harmlessly- off of gladiators chest. gladiator even stopped cannonball mid-blast. something ol cannon thought was "impossible".
gladiator was a far cry from losing that battle.
Yes he might be the oldest, but is FAR from being the most powerful mutant. Mutants like Franklin Richards, X-man, Proteus, Legion, Hyperstorm, Magneto ect are him superior. And the fact that he NEEDS the celestial technology just makes him weak. Anyone with such technology would be powerful.
Legion? Doubt that.
Magneto? As some said that's AoA, and that's BS, Apocalypse has molecular scale control of his own body, no way was that conclusion'd possible, not to mention his ability to draw more and more mass. This is just another example of writers hating on apocalypse, it's like superman in the animated series and in the jla(haven't seen the latest season so maybe it's finally changed), it's just wrong.
Proteus? Doubt it, apoc's always been referred as the most powerful mutant, and he should be able to use practically any power with his molecular manipulation powers, only x-man's supposed to be at his level.
X-man? Well, maybe he does something to show his powers, but at least until around issue 54 he's shown barely an indication he could've gone head to head( except for the future event he viewed.), I mean his head starts bleeding almost as soon as he starts using his powers for real, and they begin to fluctuate(aka he begins to get weaker, only to unleash a little more when he's almost exhausted). Besides I mean if you read x-man, there's some sort of metal or substance, that can make soldiers immune to TELEKINESIS and TELEPATHY, x-man was almost owned by a huge squad of those guys(I'll have to read the rest of the issues to see if anything changes, but I doubt it), apoc could always turn his skin into such a substance making him immune to telekinesis and telepathy.
Franklin Richards? Well it seems like he could beat him, but, and this is a big but, if apocalypse's abilities were finally elucidated by a good benevolent writer(you know as they often do, supes pre-crisis, the omega level mutant showcases, etc), it'd be a close fight.
I'll say it again, Apoc's been called the strongest mutant time and again, (even in x-man's comics they don't always say " strongest mutant", but that he may be able to go head-to-head with apoc, or that he's the most powerful telepath, etc) he's got celestial tech improvements, and IIRC I think I heard he gets more and more powerful after each regeneration period. He's powers havent been fully showcased, and he's received tons of writer hate. I'd like to wait until a writer does a good deed and finally decides to show why he's called the most powerful mutant time and again, before drawing conclusions.
yeah maybe strongest but def. not the most powerful. And he can only control the molecules in his body not the way that the Molecule man could do. Proteus, his guy can warp reality he could easily beat Apoc for sure. X-man was made by Sinister to destroy Apoc so yeah he could do it.
Franklin is a reality warper and his feats just dwarfs anything Apoc could dream of. Magneto have been quoted as the most powerful mutant on earth but he isn't the same goes for Apoc. The fact is there's a lot of mutants/superbeings that could easily defeat Apoc with ease 😆
yeah maybe strongest but def. not the most powerful. And he can only control the molecules in his body not the way that the Molecule man could do. Proteus, his guy can warp reality he could easily beat Apoc for sure. X-man was made by Sinister to destroy Apoc so yeah he could do it.Franklin is a reality warper and his feats just dwarfs anything Apoc could dream of. Magneto have been quoted as the most powerful mutant on earth but he isn't the same goes for Apoc. The fact is there's a lot of mutants/superbeings that could easily defeat Apoc with ease
Well, it's obvious they mean most powerful, I think he's also been called that(and more times than magneto, and given mag's fan base we can attribute he's case to fan pleasing.). I've read the AoA comics, and quite large chunk of x-man's comics, and it's obvious that at times it's said "that he might be" able to defeat/ go head to head/ or equal apocalypse. The fact that sinister designed him to do so does not necessarily mean he can do so, remember all apoc.s got to do is go away for a few years and nate's dead, he's biologically designed to have a short-life, and whenever he uses his powers for real he begins bleeding and weakening(as far as issue 54).
As for apoc's molecular manipulations, posited that he can make complex machinery, flame throwers, projectile weapons, and other such complex devices it seems he can indeed manipulate things at molecular scales with some incredible precision. Given also that he seems to display an ever larger array of powers(levitation, teleportation, telepathy, several kinds of energy shields and projectiles, regeneration, etc), the limits of his powers are still not fully elucidated.
We know that the technology of men was capable of containing Proteus, the same tech was capable of making soldiers immune to x-man's telepathy and telekinesis abilities(they were owning him basically) and he's the strongest telepath. Clearly celestial tech goes way way beyond these, if apoc. can mimic the materials and mechanisms used to contain or resist proteus "reality manipulation abilities", and x-man's telekinesis and telepathy, he should be able to engage in a real battle with'em, with the odds in his favor.
We know there's a lot of writer hate on apoc, so that should address what's been happening with him in a lot of issues(like AoA). I think we should wait and see what happens especially if some day they decide to bring him back.
Originally posted by JuggernautFan
no it doesnt hint at anything. thats why they do alternate realities. so they can do whatever they want. galactus -is- below celestials, and it is obvious, but in alternate realities he killed them.punisher killed the whole universe in an alternate time line. does that hint that he can do it in this universe....... obviously not. thats the purpose of alternate realities. i knew you were talking about "age of apocalypse" as soon as you mentioned magneto. which is invalid. please stick to main stream marvel....... if you are going to compare.
Oh god, I remember that What IF? How the hell did Punisher kill the universe anyway? I loathe that character.
Well there you go without the celestial technology Apoc is just the oldest mutant and pretty powerful but there are many mutants more powerful than him (evolution) right. Just admit it without celestial tech Apoc would just be a regular mutant
Not a regular one, he's still able to increase in size, has regeneration capability, extreme longevity, and speed/strength that seemed to be increasing( rise of apocalypse comics, prior to celestial tech).
In both animated series he's the strongest(old x-men, and new x-men evolution), and given his background he should be the strongest one in comics, if it weren't for the mean writers. ( They should also stop with the whole "survival of the fittest" single drive, and give him a far worthier goal aka something transhumanist'esque, like in the evolution series. )
Those animated series is not accurate, you can't say Apoc is the most powerful because he is in the series. Many of his powers is bacause of cel. tech. If he is really that powerful why would he be afraid of Cable and infected him with T.O virus? That's because he knows when Cable grows up he would be able to destroy him 😎
would anyone like to inform me how a weak ass earthly mutant like Apoc, who cant take over the earth....cant take over my garage...would be able to take Franklin Richards?...as a child he can subconsiously create a universe, manipulate time and matter...press "reset" on reality (Abraxis battle)...and have limitless power as an Adult...Apoc is way outclassed there...dont base any information off the cartoons, they are entirely inaccurate. Apoc is not the most powerful mutant...I honestly dont think he is the oldest either (Azael). a gang of earthlings can beat him...it just takes more than a couple of x-men like Shadowcat and Morph to get him