Apocalypse vs gladiator

Originally posted by Beyonder
Franklin is a supporting character, don't put much emphasis on him and story. And it's not like he's going around and kicking everybodies butt all over the place, he's not kill gods and such. Additionally, if mortals like X-Man, Molecule Man, the Ancient One, etc. can rise to that level, I don't see a problem with Franklin. Especially since he's not the main character of the story.

A nerd is STILL a mortal. As for the cubes being equal to the Infinity Gems, individually maybe. The Infinity Gauntlet, however, surpasses any one cube. You need about five cubes to put Eternity down, the Infinity Gauntlet did the same, however, put down a rogue of others like the two Celestials, Galactus, Love, Hate, Chaos, Order, Chronos, etc. A cube being is still NOT equal to ALL FIVE GEMS IN UNISON or FIVE COSMIC CUBES.

As for your remark about Oween Reece being more powerful then the Beyonder, 😆 true if you're talking about the Post-Reconned Beyonder. If it was current Molecule Man Vs. Pre-Reconnned Beyonder, Molecule Man would get his face rearranged into his ass.

Ah but what other mortals are able to create universes? And all while wearing a Barney shirt at that?

Side note: I don't recall the Celestials involvement during the Infinity Gauntlet saga? Were they also defeated by Thanos?

Originally posted by wrathofachilles
Side note: I don't recall the Celestials involvement during the Infinity Gauntlet saga? Were they also defeated by Thanos?

2 celestials were present. not the entire race.

Yeah but if the Celestials are omniscient or close to shouldn't they be able to overcome the Infinity Gauntlet? I mean The One Above All is a Celestial correct?

Originally posted by wrathofachilles
Side note: I don't recall the Celestials involvement during the Infinity Gauntlet saga? Were they also defeated by Thanos?

Wow, takes a lot of toughness to knock planets aside, that's one bad-ass glove. Don't let Johnny Cochran get near it.

i dont think TOBA is a celestial....that doesnt make sense

Toba? Who's Toba? Lol, ohhh, The One Above All! Well that's what the Marvel Directory said.

typo

Who? You or the Marvel Directory? If the latter, it's not a typo, it's a full-blown mistake. They went into a fair amount of detail about it.

wrathofachilles

Who? You or the Marvel Directory? If the latter, it's not a typo, it's a full-blown mistake. They went into a fair amount of detail about it.

It's NOT a mistake. 😆 However, The One Above All Celestials is DIFFERENT from The One Above All that Living Tribunal represents. When Eternity brought the case against Warlock forth acussing him of being unfit to wield the Infinity Gauntlet, among those present to witness was The One Above All Celestials & another (Ziran the Analyzer I think). LT CLEARLY states that he represented a higher power to which dwarfs Warlocks own, that being is The One Above All.

This stuff about the Celestials being able to overcome the IG is nonsense. The Celestials are below Death & Eternity who were both present & unable to overcome the IG's powers. Hell, The One Above All Celestials WERE one of two Celestials who used planets as "weapons of war" against Thanos w/ the IG.

As for Franklin, he's more than just a moral. The kid is basically what human kind could potentially evolve into. The Celestials acknowledged him, don't dismiss him just cause he's a mortal.

i was saying i had a typo...i did not know there was a one above all celestial...but people sound like they r confusing him with the one above that LT represents....thanks for clearing it up beyonder

INFINITY GAUNTLET FIGHT W/ CELESTIALS & ETC.

NOTE: TOAA CELESTIALS ON LEFT IN BLUE & YELLOW.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=300696&highlight=Thanos+pics

Originally posted by Molecule man
The cubes themselves are in fact as powerful as the IGs, but only if one removes the limitation put upon them. Logic would dictate that the emerged beings, from the cubes, would be equal to the Gems, since they can take the limitations off of themselves. Since the Molecule is human he has the potential to evolve. He revealed how far he has evolved in FF annual 27. He is now more powerful than he was in the Secret Wars affair. He is also now more powerful than any of the evolved cosmic cubes like Kubik, Kosmos, and them. So because he is human maybe he can take of the restrictions and become as powerful as IG

I wouldn't say the cubes are equal to the gems. The Magus had, like, seven or so cubes from different realities yet he still wanted the six infinity gems. And he, pretty much, crapped himself when he thought Warlock had an operational Infinity Gauntlet ready for battle.

Originally posted by Beyonder
It's NOT a mistake. 😆 However, The One Above All Celestials is DIFFERENT from The One Above All that Living Tribunal represents. When Eternity brought the case against Warlock forth acussing him of being unfit to wield the Infinity Gauntlet, among those present to witness was The One Above All Celestials & another (Ziran the Analyzer I think). LT CLEARLY states that he represented a higher power to which dwarfs Warlocks own, that being is The One Above All.

This stuff about the Celestials being able to overcome the IG is nonsense. The Celestials are below Death & Eternity who were both present & unable to overcome the IG's powers. Hell, The One Above All Celestials WERE one of two Celestials who used planets as "weapons of war" against Thanos w/ the IG.

As for Franklin, he's more than just a moral. The kid is basically what human kind could potentially evolve into. The Celestials acknowledged him, don't dismiss him just cause he's a mortal.

So Marvel has run out of names now, they have to have TWO 'The One Above Alls.' That's pretty pathetic, lol. "I'm the One Above All!" "No, I am!" "Shut up, I am!"

There's "The One Above All" (celestials) and "The One Above All" (things) which the LT serves. To my knowledge at least.

Well if I were the latter I'd eradicate the former. Nothing worse than having a nice original name like "The One Above All" and having someone steal it from you.

I guess he's not that smart.

Then he shouldn't go around calling himself 'The One Above All' if he isn't smarter than all, lol.

The Celestial is called "One Above All" as in were the "god" of Marvel Universe is "the one above all" . Its the "the" that makes the difference, go look it up 🙂

Lol, oh well that makes a world of difference then.