definently not. i mean, i dont think anyone deserves to die no matter what they've done. if it's something that someone would get killed for they should just go to jail for the rest of their life. i dont think anyone should die....it's weired tho because like, i think that about asama bin ladin and all that, but then when i heard this guy kicked and punched a dog i was like i think he should die. but no, as much as i wish some people would i dont think anyone should. imagein all the family you're hurting and how much you are. imagin if your mum died.
Finti> Okay, so doctors make mistakes, too? AND? The doctors are trying to help people, NOT kill them. Or are you saying it’s okay to kill a few innocents to get the “bad guys” through capital punishment??
What do you mean “substantial evidence”? I ask you again: Was there NO substantial evidence in the cases where innocent people were convicted of capital offence and sentenced to death?
Linkalicious> We ARE talking about the death-penalty in general. Not just in the USA. Why is it impossible for you to form an opinion on this when related to matters outside your own country?
WindDancer> Ah, well, mistakes happens in a forum.
But is or isn’t the executioner a murderer? You dodged the question, talking about appointed by the state or not. It IS a simple question.
Yes, I have heard about prison riots. We had one here in DK recently, when “hard criminals” were barred from exercise rooms. But are you honestly arguing for using the death-penalty MORE, because the prisons are overpopulated? What if it doesn’t help killing all the murderers (and do you consider ALL murderers to be beyond resocialisation?).
And when you say “If we execute the murderer we prevent him from doing it again”, then you’re actually sentencing him for something he hasn’t even done yet. Ever seen Minority Report?
What is justice in your opinion? To me, no kind of punishment can UNDO the crime that has been committed. To me, justice is leaving punishment and judgement in the hands of those people in society, that has been trained to deal with this. To me, a crime committed is a crime against the society I live in, and therefore society should be the judge.
And finally – to me, anyone capable of committing cold-blooded murder is insane. I view crime as a disease in a society. Ultimately I want these people subjected to psycho-analysis and therapy so we, the society, can gain insights into what made this person a murderer. Thereby being able to prevent the crime from being committed again.
What is gained by killing the killer or murdering the murderer? You don’t know what this person will or will not do in the future. No one does.
And about soldiers: Answer my question with a reply and not a question, please.
BingaBonga> (It was me, who asked about soldiers) Serving me country? Don’t give me that nationalistic nonsense. A soldier is ordered by the system to kill – just as the executioner. Does that make it better???
Jeff> Then tell me – how are you able to change anything? Truly? I’m not being pessimistic or anything – I’m asking a question. How can you – JUST you – change anything? And don’t be so naive as to think you could ever be a judge!
And don’t stoop to insults just because you disagree. So, do you look down on weaker nations? Weak in what way? And you say “most people will agree”. Please. Don’t speak on behalf of other people. Let “most people” speak their own minds, thank you. Are you telling me, that nothing that directly influences you interests you?
you know what makes me mad about the death penalty is its to clean it should be more violent
also all these people that feel they have to stand up and defend the rights of baby rapers and murderers i meen thats just sick in its self man
and then how does selective service come out in this convo thats another thing that bothers me americans who will sit and enjoy their freedoms and live off the fruits of this country but then bad mouth it every chance they get
but back to the subject at hand i think they should play the exucutions on tv and not pretty it up so much i meen the victems did not get a dignified death why should the person who killed them deserve one
ok check this out lets say your sleeping at home and some one breaks into your house to kill you
now the question that i have for everyone that opposes the death penalty and says to kill some one for murder is wrong
would you defend your self and try to kill your attacker or would you lay their and let him kill you
most of you say that murder is wrong no matter what right so what are you going to do
Omega, you have no idea who I am or what I am capable of. You have no idea what my interests are or what I want to do with my life. It takes only one voice to start a revolution. Just one! Who the hell are you to say that I couldn't be a judge? Not that I want to, although sometimes I think it would be a great job.
I don't look down on weaker nations, and I have no idea how you came to that conclusion.
BingaBonga> Okay then: Soldiers kill people in battle. They do it on purpose. They kill people they don’t even know. Isn’t that murder?
Jeff Atelo> “People hate Americans because of our tendency to look down on weaker nations.”
You’re an American right? So, do YOU look down on weaker nations? And define what you mean by weak, please.
It takes more than one voice to start a revolution. Or are you telling me that ONE voice storms a government building and disarms soldiers?
Answer my question: What can YOU change? You, yourself.
Finti> So, the people who WERE found guilty of a crime, and later it was discovered they were actually innocent WERE guilty in your views? You're talking nonsense now.
Finti> So, the people who WERE found guilty of a crime, and later it was discovered they were actually innocent WERE guilty in your views? You're talking nonsense now.sometimes wrongs are done and will so in the future.
Omega, most Americans....or the ones that I know, anyway, feel it is our responsibility to help out anybody, even when they don't ask for our help. I feel that we need to at times, but not all the time, so I guess in that sense I would be a bit of an isolationist. Americans generally look down on countries that cannot defend themselves.
One voice is all it takes to start a revolution. Martin Luther King did it, and as he spoke he gained a mass following. And now the African Americans have equal rights. Kind of, anyway. There are, of course, still some people who live in the 50's in the racial sense.
So, what can I do? I honestly don't know. I haven't exactly thought about trying to go out and reform something. I turn 18 in less than 2 years, and as far as I'm concerned, that's fine with me. I would love to vote in this election, sure...but I'm willing to wait until I turn the age of majority to gain that right.
Loserib> I said on a previous page that sometimes killing is justified. If you have to defend yourself, and your family, then so be it. Hell, there's even a law that says killing in self-defense is fine. Consequently, I am also anti-guns, so as far as I'm concerned, if someone breaks into your house, neither one of you will have a gun. Just beat the guy's ass with a baseball bat.
BingaBonga> But don't soldiers PLAN to kill other people (the "enemy"😉?
A wise choice you've made. Too many people who've "served their countries" are mentally scarred for the rest of their lives.
Finti> I think we're talking past each other. Now correct me if I'm wong, ok? You're saying "those who commit crimes are guilty, and murderers should get the death-penalty", right? I'm trying to tell you that the system is flawed, and innocents DO get sentenced for things they haven't done.
Jeff_Atello> So how do "the ones" you know help people? Do you look down on countries that can oNLY defend themselves with the aid of massive financial support from the Bush-administration?
Can you get the "Great Men" out of here? Martin Luther King didn't do it BY HIMSELF! And are you telling me, he was the ONLY man in the US in the 60's interested in equality and equal rights? Don't you know it was a mass-movement? Students started rebelling in the universities, women started demanding rights - anti-war protests etc. etc.
So - you, yourself, CAN'T change anything at the moment? Is that what you're telling me? And that it SUITS you?
Omega, Matin Luther Kind, Jr. is known as the main voice in the fight for equality among blacks...he is the figurehead behind the revolution, and he was the one who really got it organized and eventualy gained the rights. His was the "ONE VOICE" that started the revolution.
I, myself, cannot do anything right now, because I'm only 16. When I become the age of majority and I gain the right to state my opinion in things and have my voice heard, then maybe I will accomplish something.
I do not look down on countries that can't defend themsleves. I just think that we should stay out of their affairs until they ask us for help. Iraq didn't ask us for help, but we went barging in there looking for WMD. Did we find any? Of course not! Bush just needed a reason to correct his father's mistake of not taking Saddam out of power when he had the chance.