as to the flight number of 316.......I thought it was just a play on 815 in the number sequence. 4 8 15 16 23 42 as opposed to the numbers in reverse 42 23 16 15 8 4. I thought it kind of like flight 815 was progressing the losties forward while flight 316 will be moving them backwards.
anyway, good episode. did everybody pause to see the schematic Ceasar pulled out of the file of Dharma stuff at the very beginning? It had a line titled "real time"...another "imaginary time"..."real space"..."imaginary space". There were 3 events labeled A, B and C. All these lines ran from one even to another, intersecting in multiple places looking like a spider web inside of a triangle. Just seemed odd to me that even A was at the top of the triangle, event C was all the way at the bottom right, while event B was just just a hair lower than event B on the opposite (left) side of the triangle. I just found it odd. Seems normal logic would dictate that event A would be at the bottom and move up as time progresses to event B, then to C. Not only are the events labeled backwards, they aren't even in order in time. I'm going by memory on this, it's been 13 hours sinced I watched it so I could be off a little.
I'm really liking this season. The crew travelling backwards through time sets up endless possibilites of they themselves being directly responsible for many things they have experienced over the past 4 seasons on the island, especially so when we know Dharma is responsible for so much of it and have seen both Daniel Farraday and Jinn wearing Dharma uniforms, acting as part of the Dharma Initiative. Those numbers that were broadcast, eventually finding their way to Hurley's mind.......hey, who's to say he's not the one who broadcast them? The Hydra station, the good vibrations key programmed Charlie must use.......perhaps someone like Hurley had a hand in programming that? Possibilities are endless.
Whoa. Great episode.
So it looks like Juliet and Sawyer and co may have shot Frank a few episodes ago...!!!
(I assume that the reference to "The pilot" and someone else taking off in the night on one of the canoes...)
On the Ben Vs Widemore thing, its possible that Ben was simply acting in accordance with the "Must have a corpse back on the plane to simulate the original conditions" thing in murdering Locke,
and he is still "one of the good guys"...
Or
He was a greedy, duplicitous, murdering, Island-wanting bastard.
Maybe both....
Fantastic episode..... Rivetted from start to finish.
Goodbye Mr.Abbadon...!
Lots of "Oh look John Locke appears to have 4 toes" shots...
Hints...? Statues...?
Intrigued by the second plane crash thing. Are these the "Other" others that were dogging the losties in the first seasons....or were they the losties' future selves, as Ive heard postulated...?
I heard a fun theory earlier.
I heard a theory that the polar bear mystery comes down to polarbears being the guinea pigs in the testing of the exit portal/donkey wheel.
The DHARMA fish biscuit cages were training bears to turn the wheel, and one does, and hence the tagged polar bear skeleton in the desert....which would make sense.
Loved the episode
right now I f*cking hate Ben... he's such a manipulative son of a b*tch.
... I love to hate him...
If you look back at the episode when Russeau's crew hear the message, you can clearly hear it's Hurley's voice that says the numbers, it's clear with the last two numbers, and now that he's in the past (along with Sawyer, Jack, Kate, Jin, Daniel, Juliet and Miles) the theory of them setting up things for the future/past is more than likely
what I wonder it's how they're going to reunite those that are in the past, with those in the present (there was a picture of Jin and Sun together)...
the future it's wide open for anything to happen, and I can't think of anymore loose ends that haven't been answered (other than the cryptic ones, such as Jacob, Mrs. Hawkings and the 4 toes statue...)
loose ends I'm waiting to see answered:
- statue/foot
- temple (mentioned for seasons, finally shown....more info please)
- smoke monster, explanation other than security system for temple
- Dharma food drops
- why Locke is referred to as "Colonel" over the phone in pilot episode
- Mrs. Hawking's story
- Widmore's story
- Who's Farraday's dad
- Widmore leading the others for 30 years which runs up to at very least 1984....yet Penny is much older than 20 years old and children cannot be concieved and born on the island, one or the other..........timeline doesn't match at all. I'm expecting a "he lead the others for 30 years in an alternate time line" sort of answer.
- Adam/Eve's identity
- Jacob
- Libby's story
- significance of 4 8 15 16 23 42 and their combined 108, other than pushing the button every 108 minutes and Locke being on the island 108 days. an actual explanation of the numbers and their purpose.
- Richard Alpert
- Walt seeing the future
- Christian Shephard, a final official nod that he isn't dead and was resurrected just as Locke was when he crashed (or flashed) onto the island.
- the "box"
- whispers in the jungle
- why all the survivors of 815 were unknowingly connected to each other and had crossed paths with each other before. I know it will be "fate" but explanation as to why.
- why Desmond is "special" in the ability to alter the past. I'm guessing because it's a time loop of some sort and he wasn't present in the original loop so he's not fated to do anything.
- conformation that Miles is Dr. Whateverhisnameisthisweek's son
- why Hurley sees dead people
this show is reminding me more and more of Donnie Darko. I get the feeling that the plot is going to be pretty close to being the same. Something happened resulting in the skewing of time creating a tangent universe that they are all stuck in....it must be corrected to save the universe or something along those lines. I'm guessing. I'm guessing that this tangent universe, instead of being a 1-shot finite 28 days do or die like Donnie Darko, it just repeats itself in a loop until whatever needs to be done to correct it is done. Things may be different for each character each time around the loop, their paths may twist and turn in different directions each time thru but ultimately end in the same place.
That's my current line of thinking....pretty much Donnie Darko's plot. This would null all paradox's like the losties in the past with Dharma being responsible for things they have experienced on the island already. If it's a tangent universe, it's own little loop like Donnie Darko.........once whatever that needs to be corrected is corrected, the loop will end at the second it began and they will rejoin the rest of the universe and it's timeline. Basicly, nothing we've seen will ever occur.
I've been thinking this for a while. Hurley seeing dead people kind of put me in the mind of Donnie Darko. Donnie seeing Frank because he was the "waking dead". He died in the tangent universe/timeline but was still alive in the real universe/timeline. I thought for sure they wouldn't rip off the plot to a movie as popular as Donnie Darko but now I'm thinking more and more that they sure did.
Absolutely.
Ms Hawking was the badly accented British chick in Jughead.
Faraday was held at gunpoint by his own mother.
(Not realising that he is her future son...) so it looks like they are addressing the issue of who she is.
Wasn't it absolutely confirmed by the producers having confirmed that Christian Sheppard was dead...and then Locke merely imitating that state, is resurrected...? Talk about yer foregone conclusions lolz.
Hurley knew the numbers because of Leonard, remember....?
I wanna see more about HIS story....
Well if someone was depressed enough, their sleep patterns apparently go into REM sleep much faster than usual.... Being there stuck away from Penny all that time sure messed with him.
So in theorectically, if that couldve applied to Desmond, yeah he might be able to survive with sleep spread over short regular intervals...The brain barely getting what it needs sleepwise, but surviving none the less.
If you only have an hour-and-forty minutes time-window for sleeping, that's bad you and takes its toll. I don't think someone could suvrive on that for three straight years.
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An idea:
I think that Widmore is "The Economist" that Sayid is trying to kill in his Season 4 flashforward in Germany.
But with this show, who knows.