I know! Its sounds mental, but its a trueism.
I would have agreed with you, on paper. Sleep deprivation is a recognised form of torture, after all.
And sure it clearly affected desmond, his was a stressed, paranoid, wired, wreck when we first met him in the hatch..
There are medical cases in the world of all kinds of sleep disorders than might suggest that surviving minimal sleep (even leaving brain damage).
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
What episode is that?
episode S05E05 - "this place is death"
Originally posted by Evil Dead
loose ends I'm waiting to see answered:- statue/foot
- temple (mentioned for seasons, finally shown....more info please)
- smoke monster, explanation other than security system for temple
- Dharma food drops
- why Locke is referred to as "Colonel" over the phone in pilot episode
- Mrs. Hawking's story
- Widmore's story
- Who's Farraday's dad
- Widmore leading the others for 30 years which runs up to at very least 1984....yet Penny is much older than 20 years old and children cannot be concieved and born on the island, one or the other..........timeline doesn't match at all. I'm expecting a "he lead the others for 30 years in an alternate time line" sort of answer.
- Adam/Eve's identity
- Jacob
- Libby's story
- significance of 4 8 15 16 23 42 and their combined 108, other than pushing the button every 108 minutes and Locke being on the island 108 days. an actual explanation of the numbers and their purpose.
- Richard Alpert
- Walt seeing the future
- Christian Shephard, a final official nod that he isn't dead and was resurrected just as Locke was when he crashed (or flashed) onto the island.
- the "box"
- whispers in the jungle
- why all the survivors of 815 were unknowingly connected to each other and had crossed paths with each other before. I know it will be "fate" but explanation as to why.
- why Desmond is "special" in the ability to alter the past. I'm guessing because it's a time loop of some sort and he wasn't present in the original loop so he's not fated to do anything.
- conformation that Miles is Dr. Whateverhisnameisthisweek's son
- why Hurley sees dead peoplethis show is reminding me more and more of Donnie Darko. I get the feeling that the plot is going to be pretty close to being the same. Something happened resulting in the skewing of time creating a tangent universe that they are all stuck in....it must be corrected to save the universe or something along those lines. I'm guessing. I'm guessing that this tangent universe, instead of being a 1-shot finite 28 days do or die like Donnie Darko, it just repeats itself in a loop until whatever needs to be done to correct it is done. Things may be different for each character each time around the loop, their paths may twist and turn in different directions each time thru but ultimately end in the same place.
That's my current line of thinking....pretty much Donnie Darko's plot. This would null all paradox's like the losties in the past with Dharma being responsible for things they have experienced on the island already. If it's a tangent universe, it's own little loop like Donnie Darko.........once whatever that needs to be corrected is corrected, the loop will end at the second it began and they will rejoin the rest of the universe and it's timeline. Basicly, nothing we've seen will ever occur.
I've been thinking this for a while. Hurley seeing dead people kind of put me in the mind of Donnie Darko. Donnie seeing Frank because he was the "waking dead". He died in the tangent universe/timeline but was still alive in the real universe/timeline. I thought for sure they wouldn't rip off the plot to a movie as popular as Donnie Darko but now I'm thinking more and more that they sure did.
-children can be conceived on the Island, but they're not born... I'm thinking that has not always been the case, maybe it was something that happened when Ben took the leadership of "the others", so Penny could have been conceived and born (just like Charlotte) on the island...
-Mrs. Hawkings is Faraday's mother, so that's something from her past, besides she was in the island like we saw on "Jughead"
-the losties are all connected because of fate, because they were supposed to be where they were, and meet the people they met, and like we'll see (I'm sure) do things in the past that affects their "past". Besides it seems the island is so powerful, that had always tried to keep them together as much as possible.
-Miles is Dr. Marvin's son, I'm pretty sure about that
-Hurley sees dead people because the island makes him, just like Jack, Kate, Locke, and many others on and off the island...
but children concieved on the island can't be born on the island. It's one or the other. A child can be concieved on the island (Sun) or it can be born on the island (Claire).........not both.
that means there is no way to reconcile Penny being around 35 years old or more........means she was born somewhere in the early 70s. Whidmore was 17 years old in 1954, and sometime after that became the leader of the island for 30 years. That means it was at very least 1984 when he left the island. So if Penny couldn't have been both concieved and born on the island.....there's a contradiction here.
Originally posted by Evil Dead
but children concieved on the island can't be born on the island. It's one or the other. A child can be concieved on the island (Sun) or it can be born on the island (Claire).........not both.that means there is no way to reconcile Penny being around 35 years old or more........means she was born somewhere in the early 70s. Whidmore was 17 years old in 1954, and sometime after that became the leader of the island for 30 years. That means it was at very least 1984 when he left the island. So if Penny couldn't have been both concieved and born on the island.....there's a contradiction here.
Maybe J.J. will solve that
I think that the losties are more bound rather than "Fate", by cause and effect's rules.
I bet someone got off the island or on it at somepoint and that the island is course correcting by having everyone else localised to interacting with each other only, like everyone whos life they impacted on has to go to the island to adhere to/obey the rules of cause and effect. This wouldnt be too far a stretch on a show claiming to travel time and space with no paradoxes.
But then again, im very high right now.
Oh man I know exactly what you mean.
During the first watch of this weeks episode, just after the Locke/Widemore thing, I had to calm down, get a cup of tea on, contemplating what the f**k that could all mean, then started watching it again from the beginning with a couple of new biftas on the go.
A smoke and LOST contemplation is some conciousness raising stuff.
Especially when going into advanced quantum theory, the nature of time and its relationship to space etc...
Im convinced that the writers are or have been well 'experienced', themselves...
There'll never be a show in our lives that is as intelligent or significant as this show.
Im throwing away my TV we they are done. 😛
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Oh man I know exactly what you mean.
During the first watch of this weeks episode, just after the Locke/Widemore thing, I had to calm down, get a cup of tea on, contemplating what the f**k that could all mean, then started watching it again from the beginning with a couple of new biftas on the go.A smoke and LOST contemplation is some conciousness raising stuff.
Especially when going into advanced quantum theory, the nature of time and its relationship to space etc...
Im convinced that the writers are or have been well 'experienced', themselves...
There'll never be a show in our lives that is as intelligent or significant as this show.
Im throwing away my TV we they are done. 😛
Totally true
I remember being really high for Ben's episode in Season 4, with the shootout, and Alex's execution, and then the ****ing MONSTER. It was ridiculous.
Originally posted by S_D_J-Hurley sees dead people because the island makes him, just like Jack, Kate, Locke, and many others on and off the island...
I think Christian is alive. Just like Locke came back to life after the crash, I think Jack's dad did too. So the appearances of Christian in "White Rabbit" and "Cabin Fever" were real.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I think Christian is alive. Just like Locke came back to life after the crash, I think Jack's dad did too. So the appearances of Christian in "White Rabbit" and "Cabin Fever" were real.
That would be something, huh? If they came in at the last episode and were like "Hey, Christian's alive...yeah, he's not dead."
Originally posted by Mairuzu
He's pretty dead.
I'm not so sure. He was pretty dead before he came to the island but so was John Locke the second go round. He has never been seen as a corpse on the island. Jack found his casket, it was empty.
John was a proxy for Christian on 316. He disappeared from the casket, just as Christian did. He's walking around talking to people on the island just as Christian is.....and John says he's alive, so why wouldn't Christian be?
Originally posted by Evil Dead
I'm not so sure. He was pretty dead before he came to the island but so was John Locke the second go round. He has never been seen as a corpse on the island. Jack found his casket, it was empty.John was a proxy for Christian on 316. He disappeared from the casket, just as Christian did. He's walking around talking to people on the island just as Christian is.....and John says he's alive, so why wouldn't Christian be?
good post
Originally posted by Mairuzu
certainly helps heroes become a better show stoned
so that's why you barely complained about Heroes 😱
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I think Christian is alive. Just like Locke came back to life after the crash, I think Jack's dad did too. So the appearances of Christian in "White Rabbit" and "Cabin Fever" were real.
I don't think so... unless he's able to travel on and off the island like: when Jack saw him (off the island)
Michael saw him (in the freighter, off the island)
Originally posted by Evil Dead
I'm not so sure. He was pretty dead before he came to the island but so was John Locke the second go round. He has never been seen as a corpse on the island. Jack found his casket, it was empty.John was a proxy for Christian on 316. He disappeared from the casket, just as Christian did. He's walking around talking to people on the island just as Christian is.....and John says he's alive, so why wouldn't Christian be?
Is John really alive?
Christian seems to be pretty damn alive to anyone he speaks too, couldn't the same happen with Locke. I know Christian didn't touch John when he fell, maybe because he isn't corporeal, but, if you think about it, is Claire alive or dead? the way she behaved in the cabin was pretty much the same way Christian does, but hours before she walks out of the wrecked house and carries Aaron. Miles looked at her suspiciously... many say she was dead, but she interacts with the other characters
John seems pretty much alive though, Christian .... doesn't
Originally posted by Evil Dead
but children concieved on the island can't be born on the island. It's one or the other. A child can be concieved on the island (Sun) or it can be born on the island (Claire).........not both.that means there is no way to reconcile Penny being around 35 years old or more........means she was born somewhere in the early 70s. Whidmore was 17 years old in 1954, and sometime after that became the leader of the island for 30 years. That means it was at very least 1984 when he left the island. So if Penny couldn't have been both concieved and born on the island.....there's a contradiction here.
Like I said, maybe the whole issue with the women is a recent one, something that happened when Ben was the leader, I don't remember the show ever stating that the pregnant women problem has always been a problem. But if so, who's to say that Penny was conceived or/and born off the island?. Widmore could possible left the island, or have Penny's mother leave the Island to have Penny be born. They can leave the Island, we seen the others leaving the island many times, it's not impossible in anyway for them to not do so....