Human torch vs. cyclops

Cut through it? no problem.

But could Cyclops see through it? or past it? No, probably not. While he's up there looking at this blanket of fire, trying to pinpoint the Human Torch. Johnny could be raining fire down on him.

I like Cyc as much as the next guy but all he has is range ability while Human Torch has that and the ability of flight.

i agree with that, but cyke has more experience than torch also, u might not agree with that, but experience counts for a lot in battle

i don't necessarily think his experience will be the determining factor. Like Who-Kid said...Torch's short temper and his tendency to jump into things before assessing them will be his biggest disadvantage.

I think we've all concluded that whoever hits the other first is pretty much going to win. And Human Torch would probably do something careless that would cost him this fight.

couldnt have put it better myself.

* yeah, Torch is a reckless wisecrack... Cyke wins...

I dunno. Something tells me light-speed optic blasts travel faster than Human Torch's flames.

Probably cuz it's true.

As soon as the fight begins, Cyke can off him with one blow. He's not going to miss that flashy character.

Cyke wins.

Torch did careless stuff all the time...in the 60's. Where did he do something wreckless lately. He beat Graviton back in the early nineties. When was the last time Cyke beat someone that powerful?

I am not so sure Cyclops rays shoot at the speed of light.......

1) People dodge them and no way a person or mutant could dodge light.....faster then thought

2) If Scotts beams actually travelled as fast as light they wouldn't just be concussive because they would generate heat and would be heat/concussive blasts......

I don't know how fast Torch flies but I know if he makes a hot circle of flame around cyclops then cyclops won't see much cuz he would have to close his eyes or bad things happen to them

* bro, before Torch can circle around Cyke, he would probably been hit by Cyke...

Torch is one of the best ariel combatants in the MU. His flame allows him to do 90 and 180 degree turns as fast as his body will physically allow. He has dodged guys like Galactus, Occulu, and Devos, who had cosmic awareness and computer guidance aiming at him..as well as much more powerful weapons. Cyc is a joke. Torch could make a dozen flame replicas of himself like he did against Graviton and kill Cyclops from the comfort of his living room.

Originally posted by Wynndar
Torch is one of the best ariel combatants in the MU. His flame allows him to do 90 and 180 degree turns as fast as his body will physically allow. He has dodged guys like Galactus, Occulu, and Devos, who had cosmic awareness and computer guidance aiming at him..as well as much more powerful weapons. Cyc is a joke. Torch could make a dozen flame replicas of himself like he did against Graviton and kill Cyclops from the comfort of his living room.

And I don't doubt that at all about the Human Torch.

All that we're trying to say is that Cyke hits him before that even happens. As soon as the light turns green, Cyke has already blasted him. HT isn't dodging anything coming at him that fast from the very start. Especially not from a marksman like Cyclops.

Now, if HT was attacking Cyke when he wasn't ready for a fight, then yes. HT could use all of those tactics to win. But not when Cyke is prepared for the fight. He just needs to freakin look at him.

Cyke wins.

Have u ever seen Cyk shoot the torch?

Just so everyone knows, Cyclop's blasts highly resemble the blasts of Blastaar...except his are much stronger. Torch can take a shot from him, (like most energy attacks but not many people here read enough F4 to know this) and when he does he converts the concussive force into heat energy and immediately goes into Nova flame.

Originally posted by Wynndar
Just so everyone knows, Cyclop's blasts highly resemble the blasts of Blastaar...except his are much stronger. Torch can take a shot from him, (like most energy attacks but not many people here read enough F4 to know this) and when he does he converts the concussive force into heat energy and immediately goes into Nova flame.

So you're telling me, that Human Torch can immediately convert this concussive force blast (which derives from some unknown dimension) into heat energy?

I know I don't read too much Fantastic Four...but what the hell. I hope I read that wrong, Wynndar.

Originally posted by Wynndar
Have u ever seen Cyk shoot the torch?

* plain dumb... how 'bout this: have you ever seen Torch burn Cyke?

* sayin' Cyke's a joke... well, this "joke" rarely lets his guard down, not unlike Torch who is a reckless kid...

* Torch turning Cyke's blast into what?!

* Cyke is not stupid like you think he is, he'll shoot Torch the moment he got the opportunity, Cyke wins this, definitely...

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Torch could take this , but he'd have to go nova instantly , and even then I'm not 100% sure that it could take out cykes.

Originally posted by peejayd

* sayin' Cyke's a joke... well, this "joke" rarely lets his guard down, not unlike Torch who is a reckless kid...

Not anymore. Johnny has hands down the most uncontrollable powers of Fantastic Four. When Invisible Woman and he traded their powers, she was barely able to control them even when concetrating. The reason why Johnny has on and off relationships so much is because he gradually pushes his girlfriends away because he could hurt them so much by if he let his guard down and his powers would spiral out of control.

All Cyke has to do to control his powers is to close his eyes or wear his glasses. With Johnnys powers, it requires much more control and restrain. You can't be allowed to be reckless with powers like that, or you'll kill everybody near you.

There is some severe Cyclops underestimation going on here. On the other hand, I think everybody is getting a good handle on Torch's powers and personality.

Torch is offensively powerful and manueverable, but he's not fast enough to escape Cyclop's aim, and not durable enough to withstand even a mid-level optic blast. Sure, Torch can shroud himself in fire screens and go Nova, but Scott can just as easily release wide-area optic blast, knocking Johnny and everything else in the area into the next county.

If Johnny were a true speedster or had higher durability, things might be different, but since this fight comes down to a "who shoots first with better aim" scenario, the odds are with Cyclops every time.