Human torch vs. cyclops

Originally posted by Acrosurge
There is some severe Cyclops underestimation going on here. On the other hand, I think everybody is getting a good handle on Torch's powers and personality.

Torch is offensively powerful and manueverable, but he's not fast enough to escape Cyclop's aim, and [B]not durable enough to withstand even a mid-level optic blast. Sure, Torch can shroud himself in fire screens and go Nova, but Scott can just as easily release wide-area optic blast, knocking Johnny and everything else in the area into the next county.

If Johnny were a true speedster or had higher durability, things might be different, but since this fight comes down to a "who shoots first with better aim" scenario, the odds are with Cyclops every time. [/B]

As for durability:

He can take a direct hit from Terminus:
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And Annihilus:
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And as for speed the his powers work and moving speed:
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I'll actually say that Torch takes the majority.

I doubt that Terminus hit Torch full power though. Cyke simply shoots Johnny and put the flames out. I really don't see Torch winning this @ all.

I think that's a high end showings compared to the norm. I mean seriously, why would his powerset entail durability enough even moreso than reed against that blow. That's ludicrous.

Even annihilus even commented that he's just flesh. And also basing on Torch's power and flight scan, he nearly ain't as accurate as Cyke.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
I think that's a high end showings compared to the norm. I mean seriously, why would his powerset entail durability enough even moreso than reed against that blow. That's ludicrous.

Even annihilus even commented that he's just flesh. And also basing on Torch's power and flight scan, he nearly ain't as accurate as Cyke.

No, but he was firing many, many bolts at once.

Torch has also taken punches from Namor and survived, even though he was knocked out.

Besides, how is Cyke going to hit something when he doesn't know which one is the real deal?
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By taking off his visor and let it rip, not to mention unlike multiple shooting, it doesn't have any gap where Johnny could dodge to.

And him taking punches from Namor probably was something that wasn't meant to kill from Namor. Otherwise he'd be mush. But even say he survived it, he still got knocked out and if it reflects on the match, it constitutes a win.

Which one really takes more time...him taking off his visor or Johnny launching an attack that burns Cyclops?

Because it really doesn't take Torch a long time. Maybe a second.
http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=humantorchfeat35cj.gif

lol, this is a pertty good theead actually, thread even, i think both characters are being underestimated here kinda, while cycs is very accurate, its not like torch is an incredibly slow moving object ready to be struck, that combind with the fact that torch has the advantage of flight, if he flew back far enough, short of light speed optic blasts (although they are very quick) torch could literally scorch the earth that cyc stands on, it could go either way, this would be a pertty situational fight

* just give Cyke a mere sec, or maybe less than a sec, Torch will be blown away... if written without bullcrap, Cyke should never miss a target, plus his "other" ability about "spacial trigonometry", Cyke is a genius in the mastery of his mutant power... Cyke wins 9.99/10 IMO... with the 0.01/10 chance that Cyke "misses" his first shot...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Which one really takes more time...him taking off his visor or Johnny launching an attack that burns Cyclops?

Because it really doesn't take Torch a long time. Maybe a second.
http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=humantorchfeat35cj.gif

Cyclops. Flame travels slower even if Johnny had the first go(which really wouldn't have a large timelapse anyway) and the concussive nature of the Optic blast would push right through Johnny's flame and hit him. Even with the visor, he can still do wide arcs.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Which one really takes more time...him taking off his visor or Johnny launching an attack that burns Cyclops?

Because it really doesn't take Torch a long time. Maybe a second.
http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=humantorchfeat35cj.gif