Anakin's midiclorians.

I meant the force that exists between things not in them. Sorry, I wasn't very clear.

I really like that line from Yoda, about us being luminous beings. Thanks for reminding me of it.

What the heck makes anyone think that losing midi-chlorians reducs your force power? I don't believe people are so literal about this. Midi-chlorians don't MAKE youu powerful. Inject them into someone and they don't turn him into a force God. They are an indication of someone's power. Reagrdless of whether Anakin loses his count after his accident or not- and I don't think he will, I think they would just reside in his remaining organic parts- this would make not the slightest difference to his power with the Force at all.

Really... don't read too much into midi-chlorians.

else the bigger the creature the more cells and thus the more force capable

Absolutely. This count=power nonsense is ridiculous.

We haven't heard about mi.... miiih...midiiiih..... ooh I can't even say it anymore... We haven't heard about them in AOTC and let's hope we don't hear about them in ROTS. So be done with those. (Hopefully GL does some more changes to his films for the next DVD box in a few years and change that scene, which looks crappy anyway on the videoshoot test)

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Absolutely. This count=power nonsense is ridiculous.

Ush, Queeq, im sure you would agree that the whole idea if midichlorians is ridiculous, as do i.

but it is part of the story.

in the end it doesnt matter.
by the time vader is a machine, the jedi will be "all but extinct"
and ben and yoda will be "old and weak".
since vader really has no competition at that point (besides his son),
it ceases to be an issue.

however, for argument's sake, i will say this:

Yoda's lines in ep5 explain the "energy field", and leaves it at that (which i was just fine with). but now with the addition of midichlorians, it changes the whole thing. midichlorians exist in the cells of all living things. so although the force may not exist in the rock, it does exist in the land... be it plants, creatures, whatever. the way i see it, anakins arm lying on the ground in ep2 had midichlorians, which were once part of him. now they are not. he had less cells in his body at this point, thus less midichlorians. i have to conclude that he is not as powerful as he was when he wasn't *ahem* disarmed.

it doesnt make him weak, just knocks him down from say 100% to 95%
(not that im trying to present figures😂, just explaining my way of thinking)

Maybe they should have said that they exist within every atom of every thing. Then they can be in the air and the rock and the ship and blah blah blah...

probably would never remove the midichlorians from tpm.. they were one of the main factors to the discovery of anakin.

The midi count was done based on a drop of blood. It says more about the intensity of those midi-buggers than of the absolute quantity.

midi's per cell

That's I what I said.

*rolls up sleeves*
no , you said intensity not quantity.
i say quantity not intensity.

unless thats what you meant

No, quantity per cell.... The issue was about Anakin having less midi's because he was chopped to bits. The midi count showed the intensity of midi's, i.e. the quantity per cell, which is NOT the absolute quantity.

😠 DONT EXPLAIN THIS DEBATE TO ME!!! 😠

joking 😛

understood, but the fact stands that he loses cells when he loses flesh.
so whether there are 3 or 3000 midi's in a single cell, the math works out the same.

quantities per cell AND total cell count would be an absolute quantity i think (god is this getting sooooooo techno-geeky 😂 )

so when anakin loses a limb, he loses a certain amout of cells and thus a proportionate amount of midis.

Well, regardless, Yoda is about half the size of Anakin and he's very powerful. Without any legs, Anakin is roughly the same size, so if it's based on how much flesh you have he is still quite powerful.

If the force is around all living things how come Luke was able to manipulate the torpedos in the dead of space in ANH?

Originally posted by PVS
i think vader will be less powerful with the force as a result of his lava bath, but still remain the most powerful jedi ever.

quigon stated that midichlorians reside in the cells of ALL LIVING THINGS.

so its safe to say that they are in all of anakins cells as well...so...he loses flesh, he loses cells, thus he loses midichlorians.

So by this logic the more flesh you have the more powerfull you are with the force.

hence jabba the gut is the most powerfull jedi ever. Horsecrap.

^^^rude

jabba has a low midi per cell count, thus his lack of force power

Yeah it makes more sense that the more midichlorians per cell a force-user has the stronger he/she/it is. And a good way to measure.

Originally posted by Mortanius
Well, regardless, Yoda is about half the size of Anakin and he's very powerful. Without any legs, Anakin is roughly the same size, so if it's based on how much flesh you have he is still quite powerful.

If the force is around all living things how come Luke was able to manipulate the torpedos in the dead of space in ANH?

First of all he DIDN'T! Geez. The Force gave him instincts that told him the right time to fire, better than the computer could.

Secondly, just because it flows through all living things, that does not mean it's power is limited to living things; it clearly gives you telekinesis.

PVS, you're still wrong, and I have no problem with the midi-chlorians. Read what I said again; they INDICATE your power, they do not create it. Hence Anakin loses no power at any point, and most likely his count would be identical anyway. You are basically gibbering. Horsecrap indeed. And your response to queeq's reply was nonsensical; he was caliming that only quantity per cell was important; the absolute number thoughout the body, therefore, would be irrelevant, and so Vader losing flesh would be irrelevant also; the count per cell would be identical.

"although the force may not exist in the rock, it does exist in the land... be it plants, creatures..."

More gibberish. You are making stuff up now to suit your own theory- very bad. At NO POINT is it said that midichlorians either are the Force, or create it. They are a symbiotic link for living things TO the Force, and so where it exists has nothing to do with them whatsoever. Yoda and Obi-Wan's lines on the OT remain unaltered by anything QGJ said in TPM.

Ani: What are midichlorians?
QGJ: Midichlorians are a microscopic lifeform that resides in all living cells.
Ani: They live inside me?
QGJ: Inside your cells yes...and we are simbionts with them
Ani: Simbionts?
QGJ: Lifeforms living together for mutual advantage. Without the midichlorians life could not exist and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to us telling us the will of the Force. When you learn to quiet your mind, you'll hear them speaking to you.

1-lifeform that resides in all living cells.
2-Without the midichlorians life could not exist
3-(yoda) life creates it (the force) makes it grow

again, my quote:
"although the force may not exist in the rock, it does exist in the land... be it plants, creatures..."

i do not state that non jedi USE the force,
only that the force is WITHIN those lifeforms.
the force and the midichloreons are symbiotic.

by the way, wtf did i do to deserve such a reaming?