Anakin's midiclorians.

Yeah, but The Force is something that doesn't need any explanation at all.

If Lucas wanted to explain how a hyperdrive worked, then fine.

If Lucas wanted to explain how laser guns worked, fine.

If Lucas wanted to explain how a lightsbaer worked, then, er, wait, the crystal thing already has.

But The Force? It's like a religion. It IS a religion. Since when is religion ever proven with technology? The midichlorians thing just proves the Jedi religion as fact - it takes away the magic.

The one thing Lucas didn't need to/should never have tried to explain was The Force. It's just an aura, an energy, some people can use it, some can't.

It does explain why certain people are born with an affinity while some aren't - but it kinda makes the whole thing a bit, I dunno, "elitist". Like you can only be a Jedi if you have those stupid midichlorians telling you about it. I'm always a fan of "hard work achieves" - but what's the point if you are just born with these things, like a Jedi Prince or something.

So for me personally, I hope in Episode 3 the midichlorians turn out to be nothing more than intergalactic ringworm (and would explain why Anakin had so many being a slave and all), and The Force goes back to being about mythos and legend.

Explaining is boring.

"The one thing Lucas didn't need to/should never have tried to explain was The Force. It's just an aura, an energy, some people can use it, some can't.

It does explain why certain people are born with an affinity while some aren't - but it kinda makes the whole thing a bit, I dunno, "elitist". Like you can only be a Jedi if you have those stupid midichlorians telling you about it. I'm always a fan of "hard work achieves" - but what's the point if you are just born with these things, like a Jedi Prince or something."

But none of that is true. He neither explained the Force, nor said that you had to have lots of midis to be good with it. The midis are nothing to do with explaining the Force itself- that he did in the Original films. And the midis turn up IF you are potentially powerful in the Force, not the other way around.

And if you are unhappy that some are born with the Force and some are not... well... (shrugs) sorry, it was always that way. You can only be a Jedi... if the Force is with you.

Same with talent really. Life's unfair.

before the PT i thought the force was in everyone,
and that luke was simply strongER with the force.
i share the view that it's kinda elitist.
sure life is not fair... but star wars is fantasy,
shouldn't life be fair in a fantasy?

oh well.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
"The one thing Lucas didn't need to/should never have tried to explain was The Force. It's just an aura, an energy, some people can use it, some can't.

It does explain why certain people are born with an affinity while some aren't - but it kinda makes the whole thing a bit, I dunno, "elitist". Like you can only be a Jedi if you have those stupid midichlorians telling you about it. I'm always a fan of "hard work achieves" - but what's the point if you are just born with these things, like a Jedi Prince or something."

But none of that is true. He neither explained the Force, nor said that you had to have lots of midis to be good with it. The midis are nothing to do with explaining the Force itself- that he did in the Original films. And the midis turn up IF you are potentially powerful in the Force, not the other way around.

And if you are unhappy that some are born with the Force and some are not... well... (shrugs) sorry, it was always that way. You can only be a Jedi... if the Force is with you.

I don't see what's so wrong with midichlorians (except for the word itself). There are lots of theories in our own science about the possiblities of sentient microorganisms which would acccount for sudden evolutionary leaps in a species. In star wars, it just seems like they've identified the part of their cells that allow some people to connect to the force and not other people. I think its kinda interesting. But then again, I'm really into science so maybe it just doesn't matter to me.

"The one thing Lucas didn't need to/should never have tried to explain was The Force. It's just an aura, an energy, some people can use it, some can't.

It does explain why certain people are born with an affinity while some aren't - but it kinda makes the whole thing a bit, I dunno, "elitist". Like you can only be a Jedi if you have those stupid midichlorians telling you about it. I'm always a fan of "hard work achieves" - but what's the point if you are just born with these things, like a Jedi Prince or something."

But none of that is true. He neither explained the Force, nor said that you had to have lots of midis to be good with it. The midis are nothing to do with explaining the Force itself- that he did in the Original films. And the midis turn up IF you are potentially powerful in the Force, not the other way around.

And if you are unhappy that some are born with the Force and some are not... well... (shrugs) sorry, it was always that way. You can only be a Jedi... if the Force is with you.

Ok Ush you think people who are born with a affinity the force is elitist?

Well i disagree you also said that you believe in hard work so are you saying that Jedi Training is easy? I mean i am 100% sure you have to work your backside off to actually become a Jedi a having a high midichlorian just helps them to understand the force.
Its like saying people who are born Beautiful or Handsome are elitist just because the other persons not.

Also some people are born naturally clever that’s there gift but I would never call it elitist?

ush was quoting someone else.
he thinks that its fine that spme are born with it and some are not.

Yup, those are not my words, Ash. Please read carefully.

yeah sorry my mistake

*waiting for Ush's "Apology accepted" - Vader style.*

you want ush to choke him to death with the Force?

wanna see what Anikan looks like after the lava bath?

http://www.moviespoilers.net/files/anakin9.JPG

http://www.moviespoilers.net/files/friedanakin.JPG

Yeah, seen those... pretty nasty.

do we know those are real? I don't think they are. His arm was severed ABOVE the elbow in AOTC. Plus...c'mon, that's beyond PG-13.

Is it? We've seen severed arms and hands before and that was just PG rated. I doubt it will all be filmed in close-ups, that way they can keep it PG-13. Don't worry.

Not the missing limbs, the extent of the burning. That's gotta be beyond pg-13, I haven't seen anything like that in a pg-13 movie that I can recall...

The upper part of the robotic arm could just be some type of connection collar.

Originally posted by mephistodesigns
Not the missing limbs, the extent of the burning. That's gotta be beyond pg-13, I haven't seen anything like that in a pg-13 movie that I can recall...

It all depends how porminently it's being filmed... Who knows.