Originally posted by Silver Stardust
It's actually Danke Schoen...and Schwein means pig ✅Way to get off-topic, by the way 😂
Originally posted by Agent Elrond
most of the suffering is caused by religous fanatics. people who blow themselves up aren't atheists
Originally posted by finti
many comunists are very religiuos, elaborater it. well they believe in the bible and thinks things could be more like the NT and the teaching of jesus. Comunism is about everybody is equal just like jesus teachings.
get easily mad, only at ignorance
Are you sure your not mad at your own ignorance?
Come on even you know what a christian is, be specific.
and you also know a christian isnt a communist.
However the communist didnt believe in God and they saw religion as an obstacle in their experiment.
They shuttered 98 percent of the churches and killed 42,000 priests.
Some large cathedrals they turned into museums of atheism.
They banned religious instruction to children and published a national newspaper called: The Godless.
A massive economy collapsed of its own incompetence.
Are you sure your not mad at your own ignorance?brother born one every minute of the day..No HP you clearly show by your post you know nothing of the comunist manifesto at all
Come on even you know what a christian is, be specific.
and you also know a christian isnt a communist.
However the communist didnt believe in God and they saw religion as an obstacle in their experiment.
They shuttered 98 percent of the churches and killed 42,000 priests.
Some large cathedrals they turned into museums of atheism.
They banned religious instruction to children and published a national newspaper called: The Godless.
Communist believed in god, it was nothing in the way of the original communism to stray away of religious believes, however the communism talked about equality. No man/woman was more or less worth than others The communist idea was to break down the hierarchy.
It wasnt communism in itself that killed of priests and ruined religious places of worship, it was totalitarian governments that was build on communist idea. They chose atheism cause they saw organised religion as a threat to their own political and governmental power.
The idea was that everybody was equal but after a while an elite of political leaders started to form and they put themselves and their staff above the average person. It soon turned into that the political leaders got themselves into a position so that they should be worshipped by the crowd, organised religions would be a competitor to this idolisation of political leaders thus the formation of an atheist state.
But communisms basics is about equality no hierarchy triangular everyone is as much worth as the next one......whoaaao where have we heard this before, very simmilare to the teaching of a man later to be called divine huh?
Jesus is often called the first known communist.
SO HP a word of advice if you wanna debate an issue at least take the courtesy of knowing a bit about what you try to argue. The hiccups of the cold war of anti communism aint an argument worth using cause it aint about communism at all. It was all about making the main enemy looking as bad and vile as possible.
Another word of advice HP, dont enter an debate when it is clear you going in way over your head. Live a bit longer learn abit more, experience things, travel and know abit more about the world around you than as of your knowledge today................ oh and grow a beard.
HiddenPotential> How can anyone be an aetheist fanatic? I think you mistake political fanaticism for something else...
Marx once said "Religion is opium for the masses." To him, religion was one of the tools the ruling classes used to keep the working classes at bay. Obey king, God, ruler (insert something here) or burn in Hell forever.
I tend to agree with Marx. Most communists/socialists are aetheists, thinking we should use time and ressources on each other, not on churches, bishops, popes, praying and worshipping, hating other denominations and so on and so forth. This idea appeals to me as well.
Seeing as there has never been a real communist country in the world, you don't know what you're talking about - obviously.
Stalinism and Maoism are as removed from communism/socialism as Hitler was from democracy. Both were state-dictatorships, as Finti wrote.
Well it didnt take you long to go from "some" to "many" all the way to Jesus and the NT.
So in your mind (finti), Jesus taught a theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members.
Gregory and finti, if youve ever read the NT you would know what a christian is. Theres also information about Jesus in there.
Jesus taught a theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all membersthe main value of communism is to let the social conditions be equal. It`s an ideology that turned into a political idea/theory to favor collectivism in a society free of class. It has seen many changes and like with all ideologies turned into an economic system when they came up with the idea of spreading the wealth, even chrisitanity is now an economical system as much as any other ideology.
Gregory and finti, if youve ever read the NT you would know what a christian is. Theres also information about Jesus in thereoh I`ve read the NT I even had exams in it since it was part of the finals at schools. And the teaching of this jesus charachter that you learn about in the new testament has many of the values as the communist manifesto, but yanks doesnt learn too much about communism exept it is an evil of the past. Communism never was evil, those who abused the ideology to create totalitarian states are a different matter all together.
So where communism and jesus have the same idea is in their challenge against the established society of classes.
Communism challenged politicians land/factory owners
Jesus challenged the leaders/high priests of the temple.
Tear down the triangle of hieracrechy
Originally posted by HiddenPotential
Gregory and finti, if youve ever read the NT you would know what a christian is. Theres also information about Jesus in there.
I've read the NT; I've read the Gospel of Thomas and a reconstruction of the Q Gospel on top of that, and I have a few articles of the New Testament Studies under my belt as well (just a few, though). But you were so busy telling us to do things we've already done that you forgot to actually address any of finiti's points. What a shame.