Batman vs Spiderman

Originally posted by jinzin
again whob WHO am I fanboy of?!?!?!!?!!?!?!? you'll never ever ever guess it! so stop calling me something I'm not.... at least we bring feats to the table backed with reference numbers and scans....what do you use to debate? oh yes...you literally made up an entire debate against me using "quotes" I NEVER WROTE! 😂

okay...but we're the fanboys huh?

Representin for a character that you like can get frustrating and cause you to get sarcastic as hell, understandably. All too often smart ass remarks are taken literaly and enthusiastic posts contradict earlier posts.

All I'm looking for on this computer is some entertaining discussion on one of my favorite topics. I'm glad that I've seen waaay more FANS with genuinely thought out arguments, rather than FANBOYS who make arguments that are pointless and they have no intention of explaining.

It's easy to mistake someone for a fanboy when they refuse to concede despite the fact that a majority of people disagree with them. Fortitude shoudn't be confused with idiocy!

I called Creshosk a fanboy once but I retract that, and I'll just say that he's argumentative.

peace. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by The MISTER
I called Creshosk a fanboy once but I retract that, and I'll just say that he's argumentative.

peace. 😮‍💨

No you were right the first time...😆😆

hell and hes persistent at it too, though not necessarily a bad thing for a debator.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And you just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt you're a spiderman fanboy. You'll rationalize and justify Spiderman's upgrades and dismiss his opponents upgrades as ridiculous.

People are so predictable. 😆

Again, they have not recieved any upgrades, they just do the things they do that should simply be beyond them by a writer that simply wants to make a fight between them and someone else more interesting.

Beware, Cresh may use this against you, though he keeps talking about ignoring you however, good post.

There's a difference between the old and somewhat corny batman than the one that is of the present, the new badass type, and wolverine for that matter has changed drastically for that matter.

ANd people keep saying these guys are better fights, in technichality yes, but the winner of more fights and the deadlier one is the better fighter in my book.............

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Beware, Cresh may use this against you, though he keeps talking about ignoring you however, good post.

There's a difference between the old and somewhat corny batman than the one that is of the present, the new badass type, and wolverine for that matter has changed drastically for that matter.

ANd people keep saying these guys are better fights, in technichality yes, but the winner of more fights and the deadlier one is the better fighter in my book.............

What I meant was that there wasn't a change or upgrade in their abilities, maybe they're better fighters, but there's nothing dramatically different about them aside from their personalities.

Yea an upgrade to me is fine like it being mentioned by marvel and that shows the approximate potential for that ability, its when writers go waaay beyond that for their own good for a character or wish to rack in money, but hey we all need money.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Beware, Cresh may use this against you, though he keeps talking about ignoring you however, good post.

They fake a paying attention to me by responding to my posts, but they ignore what I actually say. I could type

"blah, blah, blah" and they'd respond in pretty much the same manner.

I'll be at least honest about ignoring them by just not responding to their posts.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
There's a difference between the old and somewhat corny batman than the one that is of the present, the new badass type, and wolverine for that matter has changed drastically for that matter.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
ANd people keep saying these guys are better fights, in technichality yes, but the winner of more fights and the deadlier one is the better fighter in my book.............

Plus wolverine has an experience edge over spiderman since he's been around longer.

Hey can't argue w/ that gotta do what you gotta do...

I'm explaining what I mean in skill not character persay, let me rephrase, I've trained in this art of Daji Woutsu or whatever for four years, but I've never been in a fight.

I've been in several fights since age 5, been ganged up upon, suckerpunhed, hit in the face many times while being sat upon, yet know how to control my emotions in a real fight.

Which fighter sounds more menacing, number 1 or 2, and yes the superheroes all fit in number 2, but I'm talking about fighting styles or whatever, you never really train for a guy like spidey, or wolverine, but bats , perhaps.

Originally posted by CoderaMitchell
Hey can't argue w/ that gotta do what you gotta do...

I'm explaining what I mean in skill not character persay, let me rephrase, I've trained in this art of Daji Woutsu or whatever for four years, but I've never been in a fight.

I've been in several fights since age 5, been ganged up upon, suckerpunhed, hit in the face many times while being sat upon, yet know how to control my emotions in a real fight.

Which fighter sounds more menacing, number 1 or 2, and yes the superheroes all fit in number 2, but I'm talking about fighting styles or whatever, you never really train for a guy like spidey, or wolverine, but bats , perhaps.

Number 1 could potentially take out Number 2.

Getting your ass kicked doesn't equate to being able to fight well.

Nono, not my point I mean someone who actually has fought before and knows what its like to fight against someone who will not let you up, and can stay levelheaded,( that right there makes the difference in almost any situation.). With levelheadedness, comes concentration, with that focus, and with that PRECISION.

Most training does it backwards, they go over precision, without their students utilizing the prerequisite steps in order to become a better fighter.

A better fighter is more than being skilled, like I said before there are people just good at hurting others, and have an abnormal constitution to take the best of blows and react instincively.

YOu must have application and meaning. I could draw a more skill required pic, but does that make it better, it is all in the mind, much like music and other things, which iswhat makes fighting an art, it won't get far in the real world unless it FLOWS through you.

Sorry about that soapbox there, but I was trying to get more explicit in what I meant, just to show the difference between a better trained fighter,and A BETTER FIGHTER. The one that wins more is the better fighter right, no sense in being trained if you are not successful.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I completely ignore Straw as a return favor of ignoring me. But I completly don't respond to them where they fake a semblence of paying attention, but they ultimly are just ignoring me.

They fake a paying attention to me by responding to my posts, but they ignore what I actually say. I could type

"blah, blah, blah" and they'd respond in pretty much the same manner.

I'll be at least honest about ignoring them by just not responding to their posts.

I bet Straw just bitched about an upgrade of somesort. I covered that with you earlier, in another thread.

Do you actually think you're THAT GOOD at debating? C'mon! You're posts are arguing against a human's physiology!

What could I POSSIBLY be b**ching about that make's my argument so "inferior"? Geez, this is just sad, you're letting a little thing like someone disagreeing with you get the best of you. You're getting ANGRY at the thought of someone beating Batman. It's sad when someone can't just disagree with someone else without having one side get angry and drop the subject matter with that person, it takes the purpose (a little enjoyment) out of the debate.

Do me a favor and try to remember that this is a subject topic that should be taken lightly.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
The one that wins more is the better fighter right.

If there is a difference in levels of the fights then no.

If we assign a numerical rank to each person then someone who beats 50 levels 1's is not better than a person who beats 1 level 50.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Yea an upgrade to me is fine like it being mentioned by marvel and that shows the approximate potential for that ability, its when writers go waaay beyond that for their own good for a character or wish to rack in money, but hey we all need money.

Otherwise I have two words for it: sales gimmick.

Don't pick on cresh , I don't want a part 2 of this in the SAME day.

I didn't mean to overemphasise, my bottom line is the MORE SUCCESSFUL FIGHTER, is the better fighter, not the always the better trained one is what I'm getting at here, thats all.

Lets put it in a strawman way, A young 8 year old 75 pound, skilled black belt or so fighter, isn't going to be much of a chance for adult 200 pound 6'3 man, because the power and reach are too much more often than not.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Nono, not my point I mean someone who actually has fought before and knows what its like to fight against someone who will not let you up, and can stay levelheaded,( that right there makes the difference in almost any situation.). With levelheadedness, comes concentration, with that focus, and with that PRECISION.

Most training does it backwards, they go over precision, without their students utilizing the prerequisite steps in order to become a better fighter.

A better fighter is more than being skilled, like I said before there are people just good at hurting others, and have an abnormal constitution to take the best of blows and react instincively.

YOu must have application and meaning. I could draw a more skill required pic, but does that make it better, it is all in the mind, much like music and other things, which iswhat makes fighting an art, it won't get far in the real world unless it FLOWS through you.

Sorry about that soapbox there, but I was trying to get more explicit in what I meant, just to show the difference between a better trained fighter,and A BETTER FIGHTER. The one that wins more is the better fighter right, no sense in being trained if you are not successful.

I agree some of the things you spoke of but I do not agree with a person just being a good fighter because he has been in alot of fights. Is going to be able to beat someone who has spent the same time just learning how to apply the martial arts. A good example are...... those monks you see spenting most of their time up mountains trying to perfect their art.

You see those monks... spend most of their time, trying to reach a zen like of spirituality in martial arts, they do not condone just going out and fighting....just be good at it, and also be good at hurting people. They practice quite the opposite of what you are saying. So now I ask you.....Do you think a guy that is good at hurting people will be able to take a guy from one of these monestaries?

The monks do spare with one another from time to time just like any other dojo...but it is not something that you can consider as fighting.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Don't pick on cresh , I don't want a part 2 of this in the SAME day.

I didn't mean to overemphasise, my bottom line is the MORE SUCCESSFUL FIGHTER, is the better fighter, not the always the better trained one is what I'm getting at here, thats all.

Lets put it in a strawman way, A young 8 year old 75 pound, skilled black belt or so fighter, isn't going to be much of a chance for adult 200 pound 6'3 man, because the power and reach are too much more often than not.

My sister is just a little over 5 feet and is quite capable of defending herself against larger agressors for example.

is there prep time? if so Batty wins. If not, Spider-Man wins

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Dare Devil putting spiderman down is canon. Meaning it has happened in continuity and it is probably going to happen again in the future. taken from Strawnilla......You'd believe a guy that, at most, bench presses 800 lbs putting down a guy that currently lifts in the class 15 (tons)... No I will not but I will believe a person that bench presses 800 lbs and has mastered martial arts and knows where to hit someone to put a hurting because he studied from a martial art mystic. Batman has proven himself to be able to adapt to his opponents fighting style, and spidey's style is not going to be any different.

Again batman is the better fighter, because he is able to adapt to his opponent's fighting style. And mastering all forms of combat is a plus. If the battle where to become physical and they are both giving it their all, I see batman would waiting for spiderman to attack. I see batman using alot of pressure point moves, and momentum type moves. Remember spidey's punches are not going to be that damaging because of batman's suit. If spiderman hope to win this bout quick and fast he should go for the jaw, and this is not going to be a walk in a park. However if this was an only physical battle match I see spiderman winning most of the fights. Because we are playing in spiderman's field, which is something batman does not like doing. As he always like people to play on his own field.

taken from Strawnilla....How much time do you think it would take for Bats to drive up to Spidey, and for Spidey to flip the car upon meeting?.... so now we are talking about a moving batman mobile heading towards spiderman. Just that you know the batmobile probably moves with excess over 200 mph and max out over 300 mph. Is spiderman going to stop it with is bare hands. I don't think so. Now if he his uses his webs, he has a good chance. Now we still have a stationary batmobile in which batman can still escape when spiderman comes to flip the car. First come the distraction... ejection sit... then comes the explosion. Spiderman is going to move but he is not going to be fast enough. Btw spiderman will never get the chance to flip the batmobile while batman is still inside.

So you are saying that batman is not going to be a sitting duck. So you understand that batman is not going to sit back and what spiderman dig his hands under the batmobile and flip it.

You are still insinuating that batman is just going to sit there and watch spiderman dodge all his projectiles. And come close to the mobile to the point where he can flip or throw the car away. and batman is just going to be sitting there and watching him.

I gave spiderman reason of doubt that he is going to clear some ground but he is not going to be able to clear the blast radius.

A non-prep fight really is Spidey's field in this case, no time for Bats to prepare for Spidey, no time for research...it's a come as you are type-fight. If the battle came down to physicality deciding the victor, Bats cannot adapt to Spidey's style AND deal with his giant disadvantage in the area of physicality in a fight he can't prepare for. It will overwhelm him. If the battle were to become a careful one on both their parts, Spidey could still take it using the "bob and weave" method. All it would take is one power shot (though not one with enough power to kill Bats, just to KO him) to the jaw to take Bats out of it, and Spidey's superhuman speed, agility, reflexes, and pre-cog would make up in what he lacks for projectiles by eliminating the factor in Bats advantage through his having tech. Heck, all Spidey'd really have to do is web him up at the start of the fight assuming Bats won't be in the Batmobile waiting for Spidey.

Okay, if the Batmobile is coming towards Spidey, Spidey's early-warning Spider sense will have him ready to leap over the 'mobile before it gets too close. And if Bats ejects out of it by then (after Spidey has evaded the charging Batmobile) and he has it explode, it's not like the explosion will be so huge and disastrous that Spidey will be incapable of evading it and withstanding it's effect. In fact, I don't think Spidey has to evade the explosion completely and escaping it only partly should do the trick from having the effects of the explosion do any crucial damage (such as knocking him out). Again, I refer you to Spidey's superhuman durability, he can scale enough ground to get away from the explosion to the point where he could take the blast without it's taking too much of an effect.

And as I've said, if the Batmobile is coming towards Spidey, then he's not going to flip and will rather evade it. So no, I'm not saying that Bats will sit back and watch Spidey do anything.

And as I've said, I certainly do not think that the Batmobile exploding will be so disastrous that Spidey will have to clear so much ground for it not to be able to take any effect on him. Spidey only has to cover a small amount of ground so that the blast should not harm him. As shown through scans on this thread, Spidey has taken small (and I say that they were small explosions not to say that they were anything to joke around with in the least, but that they weren't huge) explosions head on and come out of it fine. Spidey's tough, he only needs the ground you've provided him in your scenario to withstand the blast. I'm not insinuating that Bats will sit back and let Spidey do anything, but that Spidey can take the incentive in a number of scenarios.

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
I agree some of the things you spoke of but I do not agree with a person just being a good fighter because he has been in alot of fights. Is going to be able to beat someone who has spent the same time just learning how to apply the martial arts. A good example are those monks you spent most of their time up mountains trying to perfect their art.

You know I kind of disagree with you on this one. You see those monks you see... spend most of their time, trying to reach a zen like of spirituality in martial arts, they do not condone just going out and fighting....just be good at it, and also be good at hurting people. They practice quite the opposite of what you are saying. So now I ask you.....Do you think a guy that is good at hurting people will be able to take a guy from one of these monestaries?

The monks do spare with one another from time to time just like any other dojo...but it is not something that you can consider as fighting.

Nono, I'm talking about your average dojo, those guys you mentioned live it, breathe it, and like I said it goes through you, those men, know about precision, control,focus, on near superhuman levels, and can do things that the average person simply cannot. Which is my point , the utilitzation of a clear mind regardless of where you obtain it makes for the effective fighter. There are of course extremes, as there are a ton of people on street corners that think they are more proificient,because they are larger, whatever. but there is one for every kid in a soccermom dojo that has been mislead that they have mastered something in like 2-3 years.

Regardless,it has been shown that around 98% of people don't know how to fight, and people to this day don't realise that you don't need all of your strength in a fight. Which is why you hear of people breaking their wrists while punching and what not, these guys were not in a clear state of mind and, "slobbered and punch , if you know what I mean"

Like i said, I hate having to hurt people myself and just like to get along. So many better weapons equal the same old bloodshed, anyway I know how to fight,not only from real fights, but also training, so I have applied and tested my skills in real life, albeit you have made a good point, but misunderstood my long speeches. In the end the best of the best, always have that nack and talent for it, maximized with training.

As for yoursister,I 'm quite glad that she can, but at the young adult and adult size you' are not in the disadvantaged young, and hopefully not weaker bones range, good night I've got to go to court inthe morning.