Originally posted by Wanderer259
All this talk of Batman being able to hit harder than Spider-Man got me interested, so I dug back through...Batman does not hit harder than Spider-Man. He does, however, hit more effectively (which was already stated by several people) and knows how to take a shot better.
Despite what people may think, Spider-Man does not punch with 10 tons (20,000 lbs) of force. Peter can bench 10 tons, which is mostly the chest muscle group at work. When we eliminate the use of his chest muscles and limit it to one arm's shoulder and elbow manipulators (these are the biceps and triceps), the force at which he throws a single punch is significantly lower. Take into account the fact that Spidey really doesn't know any technique, it gets even worse.
There was talk about punching a bone and why Spider-Man doesn't break them. It's because he doesn't know how. If you hold out your arm and punch it, what happens? Your arm swings and the impact is lessened. If someone punches you in the chest and focuses on hitting the chest, not through the chest, what happens? You bounce backwards and it doesn't hurt quite as much as if he had you pinned against a wall. This is what's happening as Spider-Man is punching someone, and though it hurts, it's simply his brute force doing it. Now we take into account the fact that Batman is a highly trained hand-to-hand combatant, who is more than capable of rolling with a strike possessed of a ballistic armor suit (it taking a shot from Superman is still completely ridiculous and I believe that one or a handful of shots from Spider-Man would shatter the armor), and Spider-Man's apparent strength advantage is significantly lessened.
On the other hand, we have Batman, who knows where to hit and how to hit it. Spider-Man's body is augmented so that it can take more punishment, but at least eventually, he'd take severe damage.
Of course, if Spidey gets a hold of Batman and manages to throw him, the Bat is in a load of trouble.
Good post.
But I don't think that Spidey doesn't know how to punch through his targets (he's punched through numerous robots and well made ones at that) rather than he doesn't WANT to punch through people. Don't forget that he holds back often.
I'm always hesitant to call Spider-Man's spider-sense 'pre-cog', as it isn't really. All it does is give a buzzing, sort've gives him the 'heebie jeebies', when something's about to happen. All it tells him is there's something happening within the next second and how dangerous it is. He does not know what it is or where it's coming from, so it's not like he can immediately dodge and counter everything people throw at him. In fact, if he's relying on his spider-sense to fight, he won't be able to counter -- ever. He simply won't know what's going on.
I agree, however, that Batman can't slip up badly, or Spidey'd get a good shot in. Possibly do as I suggested, grab him, and toss him into the pavement. End of match.
Batman usually reads his opponents. If he is overwhelmed he would not go for a hand 2 hand grapple (which spidey would 100% win). But Bats capable of immobilising Spidey. No doubt spidey's spider sense come in handy, he would not be able to duck gas. Batman usually try to make the enviroment an advantage for him. Batman acts with precise timing (done that to superman). He does not go soft on Meta-humans too.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellNot funny. 🙁
you know people who have no more arguments post on things irrelevant, lol.
Originally posted by Wanderer259Click the link in my sig.
I'm always hesitant to call Spider-Man's spider-sense 'pre-cog', as it isn't really. All it does is give a buzzing, sort've gives him the 'heebie jeebies', when something's about to happen. All it tells him is there's something happening within the next second and how dangerous it is. He does not know what it is or where it's coming from, so it's not like he can immediately dodge and counter everything people throw at him. In fact, if he's relying on his spider-sense to fight, he won't be able to counter -- ever. He simply won't know what's going on.
Originally posted by joesha28
Batman usually reads his opponents. If he is overwhelmed he would not go for a hand 2 hand grapple (which spidey would 100% win). But Bats capable of immobilising Spidey. No doubt spidey's spider sense come in handy, he would not be able to duck gas. Batman usually try to make the enviroment an advantage for him. Batman acts with precise timing (done that to superman). He does not go soft on Meta-humans too.
Yes batman can immobilize spidey, but with batman it is never a matter of fact, but chance,and bats gas can easily be avoided via air, batman will tire before spidey and gadgets can only last so long, and spidey knows this as well.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I'm sorry Merc you know I love you and we go way back, sort of.He just seems more serious, and you seem like you are joking with me, so I evaluate his like the effort and additude he puts towards it, if he wants something answered and explained I will do so the best that I can.
I'm always serious, I guess that's what I get for making sure every post is an insult (even when it seems that it's not.) There might even be an insult in this post...
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
I'm always serious, I guess that's what I get for making sure every post is an insult (even when it seems that it's not.) There might even be an insult in this post...
you know i'm no expert but perhaps its your sig......It gives the impression that your itching for a fight
Originally posted by jinzin
just so you people know batman has actually caused wonder woman physical pain in a grappling match....and his fighting skills aloowed him to get an upper hand for a few moments....she got pissed and slammed him silly.....but she's also waaaaay stronger than spidey....
yep batman has done all kind of stuff like that, he's tossed and injured many tough opponents, by using basic principles, but spidey should be able to do the same.
It's all good merc, nothing but love, your sig and avatar got me jealous of you now, so I wont be answering you for a while. 😛
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
yep batman has done all kind of stuff like that, he's tossed and injured many tough opponents, by using basic principles, but spidey should be able to do the same.
He should, he just doesn't. I don't write him, if I did, it's something he would have learned a long time ago.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
It's all good merc, nothing but love, your sig and avatar got me jealous of you now, so I wont be answering you for a while. 😛
Ha, well, I guess that's as good a reason as any.