Batman vs Spiderman

Originally posted by Wanderer259
C'mon people. I love Spider-Man to death and I think this fight is 50/50, but don't give him too much credit. He's a street-level hero for a reason.

Be being a straight-up better hand-to-hand fighter and a better strategist/tactician who also has many, many gadgets at his disposal. Yes, Batman could throw a gas-bomb at Spider-Man; Peter's ability to dodge isn't infallible. There's a lot of stuff he hasn't dodged before, and as I pointed out earlier, his spider-sense isn't perfect. He does NOT have precog, he only has a feeling that says, "Hey, be on-guard, there's something coming." Peter can be faked out.

Batman's ballistic armor will give him some protection, but probably only for one or two shots. As far as delivering damage, I've already explained it.

Spider-Man doesn't punch with 15 tons of pressure.

good post! That was what i was trying to tell

Originally posted by Wanderer259
I didn't say Spidey couldn't beat Batman, because he can. Like I said, I think it's 50/50. Batman has better skill, tactics, and weaponry. That, however, doesn't change the fact that Spider-Man is stronger, faster, naturally more physically resilient, and has webbing, which would be a huge factor.

I wasn't referring to you, as you seem less biased but people that make him win for no reason. (Bats.)

C'mon people. I love Spider-Man to death and I think this fight is 50/50, but don't give him too much credit. He's a street-level hero for a reason.

Actually, Spiderman had been upgraded to one of "Earth's Mightiest Heroes" last time I checked. New York City has always been the center of the Marvel Universe. The greatest villains ever have rolled through that town time and time again. It's a city that has almost as many heroes as it does citizens. This is the "street" Spiderman takes care of. I'm pretty sure the same can't be said for Gotham.

At least most of his villains have actual powers instead of just being freaks. (Look like a penguin, dress like a clown, twerp in a scarecrow mask, half his face messed up etc...)

Be being a straight-up better hand-to-hand fighter and a better strategist/tactician who also has many, many gadgets at his disposal. Yes, Batman could throw a gas-bomb at Spider-Man; Peter's ability to dodge isn't infallible.

Batman's h2h isn't infallible either. I think Spiderman's strength alone overwhelms it. Besides, it's nothing Spidey hasn't faced before. I know it's tough to swallow; but Bruce Wayne is not the greatest martial artist to ever live...he's not even the best in his own circle of friends.

As for the gas bomb, while i'm fairly confident in Spiderman's ability to web it and toss it away before it explodes and in his ability to avoid gas in an open area, i'm pretty sure Batman never uses it as a first resort. Spiderman's superior and superhuman speed, agility, strength etc...is more than enought to subdue Batman in less than a minute.

All he really has to do is web him up and the fight is over. Spidey's webbing is as strong as steel; and it takes over an hour to dissolve.

As for tactics? I'd make the arguement that "on the fly" Spiderman's tactical sense is just as good as Batman's. Give Batman some prep, and he'll out class Spiderman's tactics/strategy; but Spiderman has thought up some pretty ingenious methods of beating enemies physically superior to himself, on the go, as well.

his spider-sense isn't perfect. He does NOT have precog, he only has a feeling that says, "Hey, be on-guard, there's something coming." Peter can be faked out.

Well, you don't have a great understanding of how his spider sense works at all do you? You really are underrating it. It's an instinctive reaction or body movement to avoid incomming danger (and has many other uses); like when the doctor hits your knee with the little hammer. Spiderman has to concentrate very hard to resist it.

Here is a neat link I got from brainchild's sig http://www.geocities.com/spydr7/

With that said, Spiderman's ability to dodge what Batman throws at him is MUCH greater than Batman's ability to dodge what Spiderman throws at him.

Seriously, what is so hard to accept about the fact that Spiderman is a superhuman in a suit with super powers. (Wall crawling, Super Leap, Super strong webbing, Spider Sense, 15 ton class Strength, Super Agility, Super Durability etc...)

As opposed to Batman who is just a uh...guy in a Batsuit.

I'm sorry, but as far as stats go it's pretty black and white to me. Spiderman obviously outclasses Batman, and if written realistically, Spiderman will take out Batman 9 out of 10 times. (The other one time the luck factor might help Batman)

If written in a comic book, depending on whose book it is, it'll probably be a draw. Just because Batman has enough fan support to prevent himself from losing. That is the same reason Batman took a punch from Superman without humanly possible reasonable explanation other than the fact that "Superman didn't want to kill him."

Exactly.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
Batman's h2h isn't infallible either. I think Spiderman's strength alone overwhelms it. Besides, it's nothing Spidey hasn't faced before. I know it's tough to swallow; but Bruce Wayne is not the greatest martial artist to ever live...he's not even the best in his own circle of friends.

And yet anybody who is somebody who wants to make a name for themselves goes to batman. go figure!!

Seriously, what is so hard to accept about the fact that Spiderman is a superhuman in a suit with super powers. (Wall crawling, Super Leap, Super strong webbing, Spider Sense, 15 ton class Strength, Super Agility, Super Durability etc...)

As opposed to Batman who is just a uh...guy in a Batsuit.

Ok why is it then..... so hard to accept about the fact that batman is a human without power who has found ways to hang and even beat people with Superstrong strength , 15 ton class Strength and above, Super Agility, Super Durability, some kind of hypnosis and danger senses,Super Leap, and so on and so forth?

As opposed to Batman who is just a uh...guy in a Batsuit.

Hey be respectful don't you know if it wasn't for that suit batman would be six feet under. Courtesy of the Boy scout...you know the one that flies and has a big S on his chest.

Batman hangs because writers make him pull out the right thing at the right time, he's great, but sometimes he seldomly gets hit.

Actually, Spiderman had been upgraded to one of "Earth's Mightiest Heroes" last time I checked. New York City has always been the center of the Marvel Universe. The greatest villains ever have rolled through that town time and time again. It's a city that has almost as many heroes as it does citizens. This is the "street" Spiderman takes care of. I'm pretty sure the same can't be said for Gotham.

At least most of his villains have actual powers instead of just being freaks. (Look like a penguin, dress like a clown, twerp in a scarecrow mask, half his face messed up etc...)

True, but please, you act as if Batman doesn't have any superpowered foes that are regulars of his, or villains equipped so that they might as well be. Poison Ivy? Clayface? Scarecrow? Mister Freeze? Killer Croc? Charaxes? The Man-Bat? Don't pretend Spider-Man's entire gallery is made up of naturally powered supervillains -- Doc Ock, Scorpion, Shocker, Myserio, Vulture, all of the goblins. A lot of his villains have no powers either, but are equipped to be.

Batman's h2h isn't infallible either. I think Spiderman's strength alone overwhelms it. Besides, it's nothing Spidey hasn't faced before. I know it's tough to swallow; but Bruce Wayne is not the greatest martial artist to ever live...he's not even the best in his own circle of friends.

As for the gas bomb, while i'm fairly confident in Spiderman's ability to web it and toss it away before it explodes and in his ability to avoid gas in an open area, i'm pretty sure Batman never uses it as a first resort. Spiderman's superior and superhuman speed, agility, strength etc...is more than enought to subdue Batman in less than a minute.

I never said Batman's fighting skills were infallible, nor did I say he was the best martial artist in the DCU; you're just putting words in my mouth. Despite those facts, there's no changing the fact that his fighting abilities are superior to Spider-Man's.

I never said he'd go for the gas bomb first thing, nor that Spidey couldn't dodge it. However, he can hit Spidey with it, it is possible.

All he really has to do is web him up and the fight is over. Spidey's webbing is as strong as steel; and it takes over an hour to dissolve.

As for tactics? I'd make the arguement that "on the fly" Spiderman's tactical sense is just as good as Batman's. Give Batman some prep, and he'll out class Spiderman's tactics/strategy; but Spiderman has thought up some pretty ingenious methods of beating enemies physically superior to himself, on the go, as well.

Yep, you're right. The webbing can end the fight, but I didn't argue that it couldn't.

Well, you don't have a great understanding of how his spider sense works at all do you? You really are underrating it. It's an instinctive reaction or body movement to avoid incomming danger (and has many other uses); like when the doctor hits your knee with the little hammer. Spiderman has to concentrate very hard to resist it.

Here is a neat link I got from brainchild's sig http://www.geocities.com/spydr7/

With that said, Spiderman's ability to dodge what Batman throws at him is MUCH greater than Batman's ability to dodge what Spiderman throws at him.

That's old hat and it's already been contradicted by comics before. Even the bit with it picking up dangers that really aren't dangers? Mary Jane can sneak up on Peter without him knowing -- she's done it before. If it just 'picked up' on villains hanging about, all he would need to do is stand on top of a building and wait. That isn't the case, though.

[quote]Seriously, what is so hard to accept about the fact that Spiderman is a superhuman in a suit with super powers. (Wall crawling, Super Leap, Super strong webbing, Spider Sense, 15 ton class Strength, Super Agility, Super Durability etc...)[quote]

I never said he couldn't. It looks like your entire post assumed I was a Bat-fanboy and that I thought Batman would win hands down; both of these assumptions are incorrect. Go look further back in the thread; I actually think Spidey would win under most circumstances. I do, however, know that Batman is bad enough in his own right to warrant a tentative 50/50 from me and I don't try to up-play Spider-Man in case I get biased towards him; he was my first favorite comic book character. It's called trying to be objective.

Batman hangs because writers make him pull out the right thing at the right time, he's great, but sometimes he seldomly gets hit.

I don't know about the 'seldom getting hit part', but your point on him 'pull[ing] out the right thing at the right time' is exactly correct. Batman isn't just a guy who prepares tactics ahead of time - he's constantly prepared. He may not always come with equipment specifically geared towards a particular situation or opponent, but he never gets caught with his pants down.

Ok why is it then..... so hard to accept about the fact that batman is a human without power who has found ways to hang and even beat people with Superstrong strength , 15 ton class Strength and above, Super Agility, Super Durability, some kind of hypnosis and danger senses,Super Leap, and so on and so forth

Ok...so what you're saying is...Spiderman wins because of all the reasons stated...and Batman wins because...he's Batman. I'm sorry, I wont concede my points to that. You can say that same thing for arguing Batman beating God. I'm not saying Batman can't do it without prep. Anyone can BS a reason for him to beat people he shouldn't be beating; they've been doing it for years.

Hey be respectful

Hey, I like Bats as much as the next guy. Well, the Gotham detective Batman; not the patrolling the universe and saving planets Batman.

True, but please, you act as if Batman doesn't have any superpowered foes that are regulars of his, or villains equipped so that they might as well be. Poison Ivy? Clayface? Scarecrow? Mister Freeze? Killer Croc? Charaxes? The Man-Bat? Don't pretend Spider-Man's entire gallery is made up of naturally powered supervillains -- Doc Ock, Scorpion, Shocker, Myserio, Vulture, all of the goblins. A lot of his villains have no powers either, but are equipped to be.

I'd still think it's tougher to handle Marvel's NYC than DC's Gotham. Point taken though.

I never said Batman's fighting skills were infallible, nor did I say he was the best martial artist in the DCU; you're just putting words in my mouth. Despite those facts, there's no changing the fact that his fighting abilities are superior to Spider-Man's.

I never said he'd go for the gas bomb first thing, nor that Spidey couldn't dodge it. However, he can hit Spidey with it, it is possible.

I wasn't aiming to put words in your mouth. It's just that everyone mentions Batman's martial arts like it's the end all meaning to a fight. The point I was trying to make is that it will only get you so far.

And Batman's fighting ability being superior to Spiderman's is not a FACT. It's an opinion. Batman's just trained in martial arts.

Spiderman can fight.
Batman knows martial arts.
Batman > Spiderman at fighting.

I mean, I can see why you would connect them. It's the same way a politician would. It's just not how things really work.

That's old hat and it's already been contradicted by comics before. Even the bit with it picking up dangers that really aren't dangers? Mary Jane can sneak up on Peter without him knowing -- she's done it before.

That's how his powers were written. If a writer chooses to ignore it then well, then he didn't do his research. Comics contradicting each other? That never happens.

Tell me, where did you get your definition of how his Spider Sense works?

If it just 'picked up' on villains hanging about, all he would need to do is stand on top of a building and wait. That isn't the case, though.

Did I forget about the Spidercave? Where Peter Parker monitors the city and police frequencies to find out where the bad guys are? Fact of the matter is, a lot of the time Spiderman is standing on top of a building and his Spider sense takes him to the bad guys. So I guess it is the case. I apologize for the sarcasm. It just gave me a little chuckle.

I never said he couldn't. It looks like your entire post assumed I was a Bat-fanboy and that I thought Batman would win hands down; both of these assumptions are incorrect. Go look further back in the thread; I actually think Spidey would win under most circumstances. I do, however, know that Batman is bad enough in his own right to warrant a tentative 50/50 from me and I don't try to up-play Spider-Man in case I get biased towards him; he was my first favorite comic book character. It's called trying to be objective.

Well, when I write a post I might be responding to some of your quotes but I keep in mind that a lot of people are reading it. So not everything is directed at you, personally. I admire your efforts to be objective; but I just don't think Batman has a leg to stand on in a random pick up fight with Spiderman. Realistically speaking/written of course. I'm fully aware of the fact that if they were ever to meet in a comic book Spiderman wouldn't stomp on Batman; the point i'm trying to make is that with his abilities, he should.

For the record, i've never tried to "up-play" Spiderman. I've just gone by his natural abilities. The only person that is constantly...constantly...getting up-played is Batman.

I wasn't aiming to put words in your mouth. It's just that everyone mentions Batman's martial arts like it's the end all meaning to a fight. The point I was trying to make is that it will only get you so far.

And Batman's fighting ability being superior to Spiderman's is not a FACT. It's an opinion. Batman's just trained in martial arts.

Spiderman can fight.
Batman knows martial arts.
Batman > Spiderman at fighting.

I mean, I can see why you would connect them. It's the same way a politician would. It's just not how things really work.

I know they do and it's annoying, but that doesn't change the fact that Batman's damn good. And I'm sorry, I should've been more clear. I meant skill. You can't question that Batman's skill is better than Spidey's, but you're right, ability is an opinion. I should've been more clear.

That's how his powers were written. If a writer chooses to ignore it then well, then he didn't do his research. Comics contradicting each other? That never happens.

Tell me, where did you get your definition of how his Spider Sense works?

From all the stuff I've read and seen. But who's to say that one comic supercedes another, just because it's older? Was that little blurb about his spider-sense written by the creator? But we're starting to get into the same old consistency argument about Wolverine's healing factor and I'd rather not get into that nasty thing.

Did I forget about the Spidercave? Where Peter Parker monitors the city and police frequencies to find out where the bad guys are? Fact of the matter is, a lot of the time Spiderman is standing on top of a building and his Spider sense takes him to the bad guys. So I guess it is the case. I apologize for the sarcasm. It just gave me a little chuckle.

No, usually I just see him happen across stuff. If he could hone in on crimes, it'd be very weird and extremely inconsistent with calling it a danger sense, because a crime isn't necessarily a danger to himself.

For the record, i've never tried to "up-play" Spiderman. I've just gone by his natural abilities. The only person that is constantly...constantly...getting up-played is Batman.

I wasn't trying to say you were, I was trying to say that I try avoiding pushing his powers to their extremes (extreme doesn't mean past their limit).

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I'd like to see one without insults, or simple counter arguments to everything i say( even pointless points.), that skip around my main points.I'd like to see some brain work and common sense, instead of using referring to pages, or should I say page, that only seems to support you, and doesn't tell the whole story.

Then make a point.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Exactly.

This from the guy who's accused me of riding coat tails. Hypocrite.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Batman hangs because writers make him pull out the right thing at the right time, he's great, but sometimes he seldomly gets hit.

You're just trying to put the character down, haven't you accused others of that? Please tell me why Batman "hangs" basically all the time, and yet it isn't usable as evidence? If his character "pulls the right thing at the right time" it isn't crap, it's part of his character. Do you require further explanation?

😂 no doubt.

No, usually I just see him happen across stuff.

It happens both ways. His Spider sense has alerted him to trouble plenty of times. "Spidey sense tingling...something's not right!" etc..

yeah...back in the day he tried to use it to hone in on specific villains..but it's still unreliable...not because of bad-writing or anything...just because peter isn't even sure how it works at it's varying levels...sometimes it works better than others...

Originally posted by 8bitChris
Ok...so what you're saying is...Spiderman wins because of all the reasons stated...and Batman wins because...he's Batman. I'm sorry, I wont concede my points to that. You can say that same thing for arguing Batman beating God. I'm not saying Batman can't do it without prep. Anyone can BS a reason for him to beat people he shouldn't be beating; they've been doing it for years.

Ok then if batman winning his major battles are nothing more but BS as you claim...well ...so as it is written....so shall it be done...Batman is going to BS his way through this fight Spiderman won't know what hit him. Without knowing it you gave batman the win. If batman has been BSing (as you stated) his way through his pasted battle's well as probability shows that he is going to BS his way through another fight. And when batman BS's there can only be one outcome, and it aint going to be in spiderman's favor. thanks 🙂
taken from 8bitChris
Ok...so what you're saying is...Spiderman wins because of all the reasons stated...and Batman wins because...he's Batman. If this is what you got from what I stated, which is not exactly what I meant...then yes. 🙂 Using what you got batman wins because he is batman.

Hey man, technically, Batman does BS his way through fights.

He cheats.

, this ain't news to me. cuz I know batman cheats like there is no tomorrow.

I was just replying to 8bitChris statement of batman winning because Anyone can BS a reason for him to beat people he shouldn't be beating.

You know what's BS? Super heroes in capes. I mean, what's the point? I think capes are more of a nuisance than anything.

I mean, wearing super spandex all the time is bad enough, but when you start adding capes..well...yeah.

If Batman wins through BS? Well, nothing I can do about that 😛. I didn't write it haha. It's not like he'd win because he's better than Spiderman.