Originally posted by joesha28
Wolvie and Spidey have the same amount of strength, check marvel's database
Sorry sir, that scale of strength ranges from 800lbs, to 25 tons on level four.
Wolverine is 800lbs and Spiderman is 30000 lbs. Wolverine is only superhuman in durability, everything else is sort of like batman,human. Spiderman is superhuman in any aspect roughly.
Bad writing supports wolverine all the way, sorry you didn't know better, its not your fault, its the stupid scale. 😮💨
Really the point of charaters like Wolverine and batman is to illustrate how a human can become more than a human. for all purposes...spidey is really an untrained hero. He has super agility and super strength...but is untrained.
Now Batman has normal strength and agility, but is trained to the complete max. So in essence...batman has trained to have the abilities of spiderman, while spiderman got bit by a spider to have the abilities of spiderman. You cannot say that since spidey is 15X stronger, he punches 15X harder. In fact the point is kind of supposed to be that because he is 15X stronger, he can punch AS hard as someone so skillfully trained.
but then again, i do believe that spidey is beyond normal...and his powers are a bit beyond the reach of normal men. Meaning that even the most skilled fighter, Batman and Wolverine, though their presence is more menacing and their Shield rating would be higher...I still give the fight to spidey. His powers arejust enough to put him above their league. I think spidey would take batman almost all of the time, and wolverine is a different story. Wolverine can be a cold blooded killer and one stab and it could be the end of Spidey.
But these debates are really hard to argue. I mean whenever we see spidey with Cap A and Wolverine, he's kind of non-threatening compared to them. However then we also get showings of Spidey taking down enemies which are way beyond his power levels. so really...you can kinda think of spidey as the semi-superhuman who is skilled/determined to the point where he can fight on a level above his.
I guess the ultimate lesson is that nothing beats skills and brains. Batman is a normal human whos skills allow him to perform on par with those whos physical aspects far outclass him on paper and people like doom show that the intellect can surpass all powers. It's a really hard case using Spiderman though...because when he's compared with batman/woverine he's the skill-less one, but when he'scompared with hulk/greater threats, he's the resourceful one.
I bet I'm not making any sense at this point since i've been up for 40 hours straight...but yea that's my 2 cents.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Sorry sir, that scale of strength ranges from 800lbs, to 25 tons on level four.Wolverine is 800lbs and Spiderman is 30000 lbs. Wolverine is only superhuman in durability, everything else is sort of like batman,human. Spiderman is superhuman in any aspect roughly.
Bad writing supports wolverine all the way, sorry you didn't know better, its not your fault, its the stupid scale. 😮💨
That's like how the fantastic four defeated Galactus. If I go make a Galactus vs FF4 thread, you gonna vote for FF4? I hope not...
Originally posted by joesha28
Exploiting weakness is one way for batman of working things out. Let's take 3 contestants. Batman, Superman and Orion. Now Batman vs Superman. Supes does not need an introduction. But Batman knows this guy, knows how he works and best of all Superman has weakness obvious to Batman. Bruce will manage to pull off wins most of the times.
But Batman vs Orion, will be a 1 way traffic for Orion. Batman simply can't do anything against a guy with a motherbox that keep check on his anger. Orion must be taken down with brute strength which bats truly lack. Batman can't exploit Orion weakess which is only radion. A defeat is on the card. But Superman vs Orion will most likely go for supes. I know and read that Orion tied superman ( even a bloodlusted supes) many times. But many times is not everytime and it did not state that orion won at least once.So you see, to Batman: weakness of opponent is a major factor. Spidey's no Orion also a very very very pale comparison to Superman. Spidey's has many weakness. Batman has stunned, blinded and made superman bleed too. Same thing might happen to Spiderman.
For those who say that common sense say Spiderman will win, common sense should say "not to underestimate your enemy".
Originally posted by ill f8
Really the point of charaters like Wolverine and batman is to illustrate how a human can become more than a human. for all purposes...spidey is really an untrained hero. He has super agility and super strength...but is untrained.
Wolverine is a mutant, with superhuman durability, Batman and robin are in a unique league. Spiderman didn't ask for his powers, he got them and uses them responsibly, Batman does for vengeance. Spiderman has technically had more experience than most other superheroes, and he is quite experienced. His is a gift.
You can be in a class where someone is more trained, but the one with the gift is the one that can kick your butt, gifts and experience with skill is better than just skill.
Originally posted by ill f8
Now Batman has normal strength and agility, but is trained to the complete max. So in essence...batman has trained to have the abilities of spiderman, while spiderman got bit by a spider to have the abilities of spiderman. You cannot say that since spidey is 15X stronger, he punches 15X harder. In fact the point is kind of supposed to be that because he is 15X stronger, he can punch AS hard as someone so skillfully trained.
I've been over this, speed and velocity add to the damage, a bullet it is dangerous not for its size but for its velocity. Spiderman moves with superhuman speed and velocity and attacks from many angles in his fighting. He's broken concrete, adn ripped Iron mans 2020's armor, something batman could never do. Would you mess with someone in real life if he could lift cars with ease,and smash concrete.
Also area of damage and proficiency of attack count, any one with basic fighting knowledge, knows basic lethal hit areas, spiderman in a half calm mood, can fatally injure batman. He lifts 30000 lbs. batman is still a human.
Originally posted by ill f8
but then again, i do believe that spidey is beyond normal...and his powers are a bit beyond the reach of normal men. Meaning that even the most skilled fighter, Batman and Wolverine, though their presence is more menacing and their Shield rating would be higher...I still give the fight to spidey. His powers arejust enough to put him above their league. I think spidey would take batman almost all of the time, and wolverine is a different story. Wolverine can be a cold blooded killer and one stab and it could be the end of Spidey.
Spiderman is at where no human will ever get on extreme training or practice. He is way beyond that, with precog. A human is still subject to high muscle density, weight, flexibility prohibited by strength, and easily accessible vital spots, which spiderman negates easily. A human is still a human and even thogh they do great odds, an accurate spiderman could easily fatally injure batman.
Wovlverine could be killed without touching the skeleton, by ripping organs, and avoid him until he recuperates, spiderman isn't touching wolverine unless he wants him too.
Originally posted by ill f8
But these debates are really hard to argue. I mean whenever we see spidey with Cap A and Wolverine, he's kind of non-threatening compared to them. However then we also get showings of Spidey taking down enemies which are way beyond his power levels. so really...you can kinda think of spidey as the semi-superhuman who is skilled/determined to the point where he can fight on a level above his.
Spiderman isn't best used as an example with multiple superheroes helping him, he's best shown with multiple enemies or opponents aat the same time. Spiderman is a pretty funny guy and could easily kill more people than wolverine if he'd wanted to. He has strendth, dexterity,equilibrium, reflexes, corrdination, balance, precog, webbing, and intelligence to name a few.
Spiderman is just right, not to strong, weak, and has humor with great character development. He's already taken out a guy that shot down Iron Man, gave Cap, Wasp, Hawkeye, and thor trouble with a single hit.
If DD and Wolverine fight, it will show dd doing fine and holding up for his own, making the fight more interesting, If its spiderman and wolverine, its shown with him not using his abilities, adn wolverine becomng godly,due to fanbases, wolverine would get a car on him, more chances than not.
Originally posted by ill f8
I guess the ultimate lesson is that nothing beats skills and brains. Batman is a normal human whos skills allow him to perform on par with those whos physical aspects far outclass him on paper and people like doom show that the intellect can surpass all powers. It's a really hard case using Spiderman though...because when he's compared with batman/woverine he's the skill-less one, but when he'scompared with hulk/greater threats, he's the resourceful one.
Spiderman is nothing short of a genius, he matches bats in intelligence, but not in cunning. Spiderman is so much more than paper, adn its used as common sense against inaccurate writing catering to fanboys. The moral is not to believe everything you read.
Spiderman is resourceful enough to hang with batman, and easily is more resourceful than wolverine, too much emphasis is on fighting skill. Wolverine is cut and cut better once I'm mad, he's spoiled by his healing, and doesn't use really anything special, its application, not just knowledge.
Spiderman is super dextrous and intelligent, therefore making him more skillful, and is harder to guard against in a fight.
Originally posted by ill f8
I bet I'm not making any sense at this point since i've been up for 40 hours straight...but yea that's my 2 cents.
Its okay, you read one of my downtime posts, which are most used in arguments against me. Good post, and trying to balance things out.
Check out the Spiderman vs. Wolverine thread, and put your reply there, I'll bring it up in a sec.
Get some sleep, and I typed this for the 3rd time showing how much i value your opinoon. 😮💨
Originally posted by ill f8
Really the point of charaters like Wolverine and batman is to illustrate how a human can become more than a human. for all purposes...spidey is really an untrained hero. He has super agility and super strength...but is untrained.
He was doing that years before Bruce Wayne said to himself: Hey, a bat, now that's a cool symbol.Now Batman has normal strength and agility, but is trained to the complete max. So in essence...batman has trained to have the abilities of spiderman
Huh ? while spiderman got bit by a spider to have the abilities of spiderman. You cannot say that since spidey is 15X stronger, he punches 15X harder.
Maybe not, but he sure punches a HELL of a lot harder than Batman. In fact the point is kind of supposed to be that because he is 15X stronger, he can punch AS hard as someone so skillfully trained.
Oh man, the training stuff again. but then again, i do believe that spidey is beyond normal...and his powers are a bit beyond the reach of normal men.
Hehehe, like hurting the Hulk, beating up Rhino and totally crushing Titania ? Yeah, indeed a bit beyond the reach of normal men Meaning that even the most skilled fighter, Batman and Wolverine, though their presence is more menacing and their Shield rating would be higher...I still give the fight to spidey.
I knew you were a smart guy after all 😄 But these debates are really hard to argue. I mean whenever we see spidey with Cap A and Wolverine, he's kind of non-threatening compared to them. However then we also get showings of Spidey taking down enemies which are way beyond his power levels. so really...you can kinda think of spidey as the semi-superhuman who is skilled/determined to the point where he can fight on a level above his.
I don't know why you say that Spider-Man is "semi-superhuman".I guess the ultimate lesson is that nothing beats skills and brains.
Except a bone crushing uppercut.
Following the assumptions of pathetic fanboys annoying in this topic, Batman can beat anyone cause he's trained to be the perfect human.
I'd like to see him facing Rhino or the Sinister Six or maybe Black Tarantula, just for the pleasure to see him dying.
Bane beat down Batman, Bane, who lift at max 5 tons.
Batman is gonna lose, but the fanboy powers are too much for Spider-Man, maybe even for Thanos.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Wolverine is a mutant, with superhuman durability, Batman and robin are in a unique league. Spiderman didn't ask for his powers, he got them and uses them responsibly, Batman does for vengeance. Spiderman has technically had more experience than most other superheroes, and he is quite experienced. His is a gift.You can be in a class where someone is more trained, but the one with the gift is the one that can kick your butt, gifts and experience with skill is better than just skill.
I've been over this, speed and velocity add to the damage, a bullet it is dangerous not for its size but for its velocity. Spiderman moves with superhuman speed and velocity and attacks from many angles in his fighting. He's broken concrete, adn ripped Iron mans 2020's armor, something batman could never do. Would you mess with someone in real life if he could lift cars with ease,and smash concrete.
Also area of damage and proficiency of attack count, any one with basic fighting knowledge, knows basic lethal hit areas, spiderman in a half calm mood, can fatally injure batman. He lifts 30000 lbs. batman is still a human.
Spiderman is at where no human will ever get on extreme training or practice. He is way beyond that, with precog. A human is still subject to high muscle density, weight, flexibility prohibited by strength, and easily accessible vital spots, which spiderman negates easily. A human is still a human and even thogh they do great odds, an accurate spiderman could easily fatally injure batman.
Wovlverine could be killed without touching the skeleton, by ripping organs, and avoid him until he recuperates, spiderman isn't touching wolverine unless he wants him too.
Spiderman isn't best used as an example with multiple superheroes helping him, he's best shown with multiple enemies or opponents aat the same time. Spiderman is a pretty funny guy and could easily kill more people than wolverine if he'd wanted to. He has strendth, dexterity,equilibrium, reflexes, corrdination, balance, precog, webbing, and intelligence to name a few.
Spiderman is just right, not to strong, weak, and has humor with great character development. He's already taken out a guy that shot down Iron Man, gave Cap, Wasp, Hawkeye, and thor trouble with a single hit.
If DD and Wolverine fight, it will show dd doing fine and holding up for his own, making the fight more interesting, If its spiderman and wolverine, its shown with him not using his abilities, adn wolverine becomng godly,due to fanbases, wolverine would get a car on him, more chances than not.
Spiderman is nothing short of a genius, he matches bats in intelligence, but not in cunning. Spiderman is so much more than paper, adn its used as common sense against inaccurate writing catering to fanboys. The moral is not to believe everything you read.
Spiderman is resourceful enough to hang with batman, and easily is more resourceful than wolverine, too much emphasis is on fighting skill. Wolverine is cut and cut better once I'm mad, he's spoiled by his healing, and doesn't use really anything special, its application, not just knowledge.
Spiderman is super dextrous and intelligent, therefore making him more skillful, and is harder to guard against in a fight.
Its okay, you read one of my downtime posts, which are most used in arguments against me. Good post, and trying to balance things out.
Check out the Spiderman vs. Wolverine thread, and put your reply there, I'll bring it up in a sec.
Get some sleep, and I typed this for the 3rd time showing how much i value your opinoon. 😮💨
DAMN GOOD POST! 😮💨
Originally posted by K3VIL
Following the assumptions of pathetic fanboys annoying in this topic, Batman can beat anyone cause he's trained to be the perfect human.
I'd like to see him facing Rhino or the Sinister Six or maybe Black Tarantula, just for the pleasure to see him dying.
Bane beat down Batman, Bane, who lift at max 5 tons.
Batman is gonna lose, but the fanboy powers are too much for Spider-Man, maybe even for Thanos.
lol 😉
Dude the sinister six are pretty weak as a group. Spidey has trouble with them one on one but when they are together they don't coordinate well.
Rhino isn't very different from anybody the JLA hasn't faced with ease either.
ALSO, DID ANYONE WATCH BATMAN BEGINS! WATCHED IT THRICE! BEST COMIC BOOK MOVIE EVER!