Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Batman has gadgets, spiderman does, and can make some at any time, batman can't make superpowers. Spidey uses stuff at a school.
Batman's gadgets are better than spidermans. And batman can't make superpowers...this deserves a 😆...why don't you tell this to the superpowered robot JLA that batman created to fight Gorilla Grudd. These were some of the things I found interesting...was... how was batman able to create a flash that could move at least at Flash's speed...or Martian ManHunter's phasing and morphing ability....or a green lantern ring that can copy the original green Lantern ring.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Yep the proifiecency is what you mean, a bullet is piercing, wolvies claws are slashing and thrusting, and spidey's is blunt, causes damamage over a wide area, this has been done.
Again what you are saying are true but there are only half truth's. Because a bullet is not going to be able to go through an armor plating. Wolverines claws are going to find it hard going through Lady Deathstrikes claws seeing a their claws are made of the same thing. And spiderman is going to find it hard punching Ironman and dealing damage.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Batman still cant take a good punch and stagger the hulk, can he.
Can your skill allow you to beat a gorilla,Iron Man is a FAST target, a wall isn't, and aplication is how he did it.
Its decptively easy to break concrete in the right spot, but very hard to rip a telephone boook, and look at what its made of.........
Batman already took A PUNCH from one of the best and lived to tell the tale. But will he be able to stagger someone like the hulk with his own punch....NO....100% NO...
Ironman is a fast target...this is true...but spiderman's application (aka skill) were better than Ironman don't you agree...
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Batman still cant take a good punch and stagger the hulk, can he.
Can your skill allow you to beat a gorilla,Iron Man is a FAST target, a wall isn't, and aplication is how he did it.
Its decptively easy to break concrete in the right spot, but very hard to rip a telephone boook, and look at what its made of.........[Quote]
Come now you are just repeating your self.
[Quote]Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You want the ways to kill someone, I can list them right now,
Come now you said that some with basic fighting knowledge can kill someone in a number of ways. I just said if this is so...then a skilled martial artist could have an infinite number of ways of killing someone.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Technique is great when against a person your league(cap america) or in real life a human, but not when the physical advantage is so severe, if thats the case, superman would've been in a dojo, next to lobo and the hulk.
This is all true but not when you have something that levels the playing field...Captain America has his shield...batman has his suit...and a human in real life...there are alot of variables.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
He' has extraordinary powers, batman doesn't, you wouldn't get that from normal training, just like akuma, whats your point?
My point is that Karate Kid is human who got powerful thanks to his extreme martial arts training. Because I seem to recall you saying that NO HUMAN WITH EXTREME MARTIAL ARTS IS EVER GOING TO REACH SPIDERMAN'S LEVEL...So I presented a human who has reached spiderman's lever and pasted it.. This is my point.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Its physicality, humans have restrictions about their attacks, and their vital areas with flexibility, spiderman gets them all, and would be a better threat against fighters one on one, fist to fist than batman, making him the better fighter period, no matter the techniqe, it doesn't equate to spdiermans physicality.
So you are saying that humans have restriction when they attack because they don't have enough power behind their punch?
So spiderman is a better fighter than batman because he is stronger.. BUB how many times do I need to tell you that strength means nothing when face with a master martial artist. To bad..batman has beaten people stronger and faster than him...so you see my dilemma.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
But batman is a money cash cow and needs to live........ there thats better
So is spiderman..but you don't see me using that against him.🙂
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Batman's gadgets are better than spidermans. And batman can't make superpowers...this deserves a 😆...why don't you tell this to the superpowered robot JLA that batman created to fight Gorilla Grudd. These were some of the things I found interesting...was... how was batman able to create a flash that could move at least at Flash's speed...or Martian ManHunter's phasing and morphing ability....or a green lantern ring that can copy the original green Lantern ring.
Yes his are better, but he has no proof of him making his own, and spidey has less resourses, on top of that, you think Spiderman hasn't faced gadgets, Green Goblin, Hob Goblin, Kingpin, and Venom. And batman cannnot "create" superpowers, he doesn't have any to begin with.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Again what you are saying are true but there are only half truth's. Because a bullet is not going to be able to go through an armor plating. Wolverines claws are going to find it hard going through Lady Deathstrikes claws seeing a their claws are made of the same thing. And spiderman is going to find it hard punching Ironman and dealing damage.
WTF!!! you know little about proifiencincy, offense always finds a way past defense, a light tipped, rifle bullet, or a machine gun will own your ass, armor or not, in fact modern armor still gives you broken ribs etc. it just makes it blunt across a flat surface, therefore not making it lethal, unlike a piercing, high velocity bullet, and spidey's hits are harder than a bullet.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Batman already took A PUNCH from one of the best and lived to tell the tale. But will he be able to stagger someone like the hulk with his own punch....NO....100% NO...Ironman is a fast target...this is true...but spiderman's application (aka skill) were better than Ironman don't you agree...
Logically explain why bats would............................ didn't think so.
Yes, but his raw power allowed him to tear that armor, no normal human could, i.e batman get my point.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Come now you said that some with basic fighting knowledge can kill someone in a number of ways. I just said if this is so...then a skilled martial artist could have an infinite number of ways of killing someone.
not really a person with more strength would kill you easier, technique compensates, but not for ridiculous strength, a bear would kill you easier, and besides the only sure and true lethal spots focus around the head, neck, and kidneys, usally from hemorraging, its the same way all over, strike, its not that complicated, i fight myself, a person that lifts cars and rips IO armor, is a larger threat hitting you anywhere.
Spidey is beyond a basic fighter, he got pissed and took it to Venom(new and improved), knocking him throug a water tower, 20 yards away. He is harder to beat in combat than batman, period.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
This is all true but not when you have something that levels the playing field...Captain America has his shield...batman has his suit...and a human in real life...there are alot of variables.
or webbing that could snatch the shield, or stop trains or hold the thing for life, hulk momentarily, she hulk, and cars, and is 120,000 lbs per square millimeter strong!!!!
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
My point is that Karate Kid is human who got powerful thanks to his extreme martial arts training. Because I seem to recall you saying that NO HUMAN WITH EXTREME MARTIAL ARTS IS EVER GOING TO REACH SPIDERMAN'S LEVEL...So I presented a human who has reached spiderman's lever and pasted it.. This is my point.
By using extraordinary training, ryu and ken are human, but do you think push ups and sit ups, and running mountains will allow you to lift 30000 lbs while angry is absurd.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
So you are saying that humans have restriction when they attack because they don't have enough power behind their punch?
So spiderman is a better fighter than batman because he is stronger.. BUB how many times do I need to tell you that strength means nothing when face with a master martial artist. To bad..batman has beaten people stronger and faster than him...so you see my dilemma.
No I'm saying (as an experienced fighter) that humans have restrictions to bone structure, muscle density, flexibility, and easily vital accesible areas that technique can help but not eliminate, spiderman has super strength while obtaining these, I don't understand the dileemma here, can batman hand to hand Venom, Carnage, Lobo, Supes, BANE, Dock Ock, the Rhino, The Lizard, Morbius, Black Cat, Kingpin, Juggernaut, Hulk, Titania, and soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many more , HELL NO. you're pulling straws, Spiderman has beaten many stronger people all the time while holding back, thats a strawman, do you hear yourself anymore,
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
So is spiderman..but you don't see me using that against him.🙂
Spiderman gets beat alot, unlike god batman, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, seriously how many times out of 10 do you think batman beats spiderman.
You haven't given me any logical explanation yet, you are basically saying strength is obsolete, and with combat skills alone, allow batman to outweigh his absurd, insane, and ludicrous disadvantages in a hypothetical fight, yo u need to actually make a reason, its not being written for you. 😮💨
Originally posted by Zod4Life
I know who Spider-Man is.Batman is in fact smarter than Spider-Man.1.Did Spider-Man build a invulnerable car with all sorts of things inside of it?
2.Did he ever make any weapons like Batman?
3.Does he have a secret headquarter?No,I don't think so. 😉
1. Spidey did build a Spider mobile......unfortunately he wrecked it on his first time out cos he did'nt know how to drive
2. Webshooter, many different webbing compositions, Spidertracers, impact webbing(scarlet spidey's invention but heck he was a clone), web sheilds and nets (on the fly whilst fighting) and in his Slingers Days he he invented at least two different types of weapons and four different fighting techniques and personalities.....
3. Does he really need one?......and where's he gonna get the money for one.....
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Yes his are better, but he has no proof of him making his own, and spidey has less resourses, on top of that, you think Spiderman hasn't faced gadgets, Green Goblin, Hob Goblin, Kingpin, and Venom. And batman cannnot "create" superpowers, he doesn't have any to begin with.
So who is making his gadgets for him his company but if this was true the whole company now knows that Bruce Wayne is batman. But in all of batman comics there have not been any indication that the company produces his gadgets. or there is a third party who's job is to make gadgets for batman. Now since as non of these have been proven it is only save to assume that batman creates all his gadgets. batman created superpowered robot JLA that batman created to fight Gorilla Grudd. These were some of the things I found interesting...was... how was batman able to create a flash that could move at least at Flash's speed...or Martian ManHunter's phasing and morphing ability....or a green lantern ring that can copy the original green Lantern ring.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
WTF!!! you know little about proifiencincy, offense always finds a way past defense, a light tipped, rifle bullet, or a machine gun will own your ass, armor or not, in fact modern armor still gives you broken ribs etc. it just makes it blunt across a flat surface, therefore not making it lethal, unlike a piercing, high velocity bullet, and spidey's hits are harder than a bullet.
First off it is proficiency and not (proifiencincy). offense always finds a way past defense... true but only if the defense gives an opening to the offense. a light tipped, rifle bullet, or a machine gun will own your ass, armor or not, in fact modern armor still gives you broken ribs. Sure if targeted on the armor plates said person will at least live to see tomorrow. Broken ribs are better than being dead.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Logically explain why bats would............................ didn't think so.Yes, but his raw power allowed him to tear that armor, no normal human could, i.e batman get my point.
So you want me to logically explain why batman would survive a full powered punch from spiderman. Because Batman his suit will protect him since as he does not have the durability like spiderman. Since as it is the only thing that gives any higher form of durability.
Against a fight with Ironman the last thing I want to see is batman jumping on Ironman trying to rip off his armor. Again this just goes to prove that spiderman skill outshines Ironman's.
[Originally posted by CorderaMitchell[/I]
not really a person with more strength would kill you easier, technique compensates, but not for ridiculous strength, a bear would kill you easier, and besides the only sure and true lethal spots focus around the head, neck, and kidneys, usally from hemorraging, its the same way all over, strike, its not that complicated, i fight myself, a person that lifts cars and rips IO armor, is a larger threat hitting you anywhere.
not really a person with more strength would kill you easier, technique compensates, but not for ridiculous strength now you are drifting in real world logic were as in comics mare touches from just martial artist could kill you.a person that lifts cars and rips IO armor, is a larger threat hitting you anywhere...true.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Spidey is beyond a basic fighter, he got pissed and took it to Venom(new and improved), knocking him throug a water tower, 20 yards away. He is harder to beat in combat than batman, period.
batman is beyond a basic martial artist. And can roll with the punches
http://img68.exs.cx/img68/8476/general1.jpg
see what I mean.
[/Quote]Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
or webbing that could snatch the shield, or stop trains or hold the thing for life, hulk momentarily, she hulk, and cars, and is 120,000 lbs per square millimeter strong!!!![/Quote]
the shield leaving Captain America is like a 100 to 1
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
By using extraordinary training, ryu and ken are human, but do you think push ups and sit ups, and running mountains will allow you to lift 30000 lbs while angry is absurd.
No but it will allow you to go around it, if you are faced with such a task.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
saying (as an experienced fighter) that humans have restrictions to bone structure, muscle density, flexibility, and easily vital accesible areas that technique can help but not eliminate, spiderman has super strength while obtaining these, I don't understand the dileemma here, can batman hand to hand Venom, Carnage, Lobo, Supes, BANE, Dock Ock, the Rhino, The Lizard, Morbius, Black Cat, Kingpin, Juggernaut, Hulk, Titania, and sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
ooooo many more , HELL NO. you're pulling straws, Spiderman has beaten many stronger people all the time while holding back, thats a strawman, do you hear yourself anymore,
Nope batman is not going to be able to go hand to hand with these guys. That is why he normally goes around them. Rather than face such power head on. Well I am pulling straws 🙂 lucky for me the straws I have been pulling all support what I am saying.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
an gets beat alot, unlike god batman, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, seriously how many times out of 10 do you think batman beats spiderman.
If you want to call batman godlike go a head it doesn't hurt my case none.
5 to 5 first five goes to spiderman while the second goes to batman.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You haven't given me any logical explanation yet, you are basically saying strength is obsolete, and with combat skills alone, allow batman to outweigh his absurd, insane, and ludicrous disadvantages in a hypothetical fight, yo u need to actually make a reason, its not being written for you.
Strength is not obsolete it is not just the main factor. training gives Skill, skill leads to experience and experience leads to victory...most of the time. You see with these three things they help you to control strength and how to deal with strength.
Ok following your advice I here say....
Batman has been shown to survive people way stronger than himself. And on top of that his suit has enabled him to survive even more. His gadgets are no small matter either, I see spiderman dodging batarangs but I don't see him dodging a time delayed batarang bomb or knock out gas that can be activated at any time. Not to talk about batman taking great leaps in logic, after one or two attacks he might pick up on the spider sense and adjust to fit the bill.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
So who is making his gadgets for him his company but if this was true the whole company now knows that Bruce Wayne is batman. But in all of batman comics there have not been any indication that the company produces his gadgets. or there is a third party who's job is to make gadgets for batman. Now since as non of these have been proven it is only save to assume that batman creates all his gadgets. batman created superpowered robot JLA that batman created to fight Gorilla Grudd. These were some of the things I found interesting...was... how was batman able to create a flash that could move at least at Flash's speed...or Martian ManHunter's phasing and morphing ability....or a green lantern ring that can copy the original green Lantern ring.
You realize this isn't superpowers still, and writing is writing, the point is that this battle has no prep time, and that spiderman has gone much farther with what he has, dealing with symboites and such.
Spiderman has used sufficicent gadgets when facing torch and others many times.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
First off it is proficiency and not (proifiencincy). offense always finds a way past defense... true but only if the defense gives an opening to the offense. [B]a light tipped, rifle bullet, or a machine gun will own your ass, armor or not, in fact modern armor still gives you broken ribs. Sure if targeted on the armor plates said person will at least live to see tomorrow. Broken ribs are better than being dead. [/B]
Like you never misspell anything, besides you don't realize my point, a high powered rifle penetrates armor no problem, if your ribs were broken it was from a shotgun blast.
Batman has gotten it handed to him by a thug, using logic, spiderman can kill him, he is faster as well.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
So you want me to logically explain why batman would survive a full powered punch from spiderman. Because Batman his suit will protect him since as he does not have the durability like spiderman. Since as it is the only thing that gives any higher form of durability.
Against a fight with Ironman the last thing I want to see is batman jumping on Ironman trying to rip off his armor. Again this just goes to prove that spiderman skill outshines Ironman's.
It isn't about skill,or Batman couldve dont it, spiderman is a more experienced fighter than even batman, I don't think you read much spiderman, he swung adn picked up a car with one arm, knoks venom 20 yards, harder than the forced the same venom used to toss a semitrailer. Using the armor is a fanboy escuse, sense Bane has caused batman trouble, so it defies logic that batman would be taking punches from spiderman, skill isnt' getting that armor ripped, do you know your facts, if not learn them.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
[B]not really a person with more strength would kill you easier, technique compensates, but not for ridiculous strength now you are drifting in real world logic were as in comics mare touches from just martial artist could kill you.a person that lifts cars and rips IO armor, is a larger threat hitting you anywhere...true. [/B]
Its the only thing that makes sense here, which is what I'm doing, or do you think you Bruce Lee can go beat up an elephant.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
batman is beyond a basic martial artist. And can roll with the punches
http://img68.exs.cx/img68/8476/general1.jpg
see what I mean.
You're not rolling with these punches, don't u understand??? Its' a person that can press 300000 lbs hitting you at the velocity and speed of 300 to 400 mph easily,(from the start speed of the punches which would be in the first few miliseconds.)
Spiderman could punch him 10 times in 2 seconds, thus you are wrong plain and simple, and your argument is absurd, it even sounds like you are agreeing with me, and just want to argue for its own sake.
[/Quote]Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
or webbing that could snatch the shield, or stop trains or hold the thing for life, hulk momentarily, she hulk, and cars, and is 120,000 lbs per square millimeter strong!!!![/Quote] [/B][/QUOTE]
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
the shield leaving Captain America is like a 100 to 1
Spiderman webbed up wolverine , do you seriously think he cant snatch that shield, or yank it from him, plus cap uses it as a projectile, this is you assumption, notice the word "ass" in there, yeah, go figure.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
No but it will allow you to go around it, if you are faced with such a task.
For good fighters like ryu, ken, and akuma yes, for batman no. Plain and simple, batman isn't using his hands on spiderman, only a fanboy would say such things.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Nope batman is not going to be able to go hand to hand with these guys. That is why he normally goes around them. Rather than face such power head on. Well I am pulling straws 🙂 lucky for me the straws I have been pulling all support what I am saying.
OK you're somewhat reasonable, I've said that about 60pages ago, yet you spent so many paragraphs arguing why this is so. What was the point.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
If you want to call batman godlike go a head it doesn't hurt my case none.
5 to 5 first five goes to spiderman while the second goes to batman.
Good for you but, I simplly disagree.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Strength is not obsolete it is not just the main factor. training gives Skill, skill leads to experience and experience leads to victory...most of the time. You see with these three things they help you to control strength and how to deal with strength.
No against a human or someone within your league strength is or isn't, I fight and it depends, in some aspects, strength is the key factor in a fight,(power)
Stronger the muscles in a limb the faster it moves, faster and more often a person will land a punch, and the stronger the muscle fiber, now power in the specific definition.
Its better to use 60% of your strength for longer periods of time and get it up faster,than to use 90% and wear out, thus spidermans 10,20,30,40,50, and 60% is hitting harder than batmans anyway, it batman were to do an attack that hard, it would counter his leverage, making him open.
A "skilled" fighter knows not to use full strength and rely on speed and concentration and application, during a fight. Batman using a minute amount of his strength wont hurt spiderman.
Couple this with the speed, agility, perception, and precognitive senses, batman is not only fighting a stronger opponent,but one he'lll have a hard time hitting, Batman vs. Slade anyone?
Regardless a person who takes classes doesn't always wint the fight aagainst aperson who has fought more and won more, sometimes the people more skilled havent fought before, and don't know what to do in certain situations, or to keeep their calm, when someone doesn't do their honor code, spidermans fighting skill is great.
Ok following your advice I here say....
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Batman has been shown to survive people way stronger than himself. And on top of that his suit has enabled him to survive even more. His gadgets are no small matter either, I see spiderman dodging batarangs but I don't see him dodging a time delayed batarang bomb or knock out gas that can be activated at any time. Not to talk about batman taking great leaps in logic, after one or two attacks he might pick up on the spider sense and adjust to fit the bill.
So has Spiderman, and spiderman can take more damage than batman and his suit, perhaps,, but spidemran faces venom, a creature stronger than he is, and dampens his spider sense, spidemrn is one of the most versatile superheroes to date, weapons and gadgets do so much.
But since this is "a" fight, and you said spiderman wins the first 5, then spiderman takes this home by your word and mine. 😮💨
First off, if Bane broke the Bat then I see absolutely no reason why Spider-Man wouldn't do the same.
I'm just going to apply the same logic that I did to Spider-Man vs Wolverine and replace the word Wolverine with Batman.
Spider-Man is (way) faster, stronger, more durable and more agile, these attributes are superhuman, Batman at his greatest is peak human. I think someone's said it before it's not how many styles of fighting it's how well you know how to use those you know.
Spidey's experience is all on-the-job against adversaries like Venom, Parker knows how to do what he does. If it comes down to a hand-to-hand fight then I can't picture a Batman win.
I dare say Spidey is more intelligent in maths, biochemistry and the physical sciences, the device that dispenses the webs is a feat of engineering and like I said no materials scientists in the real world have yet created a synthetic substance with the tensile strength per density of spider silk while Peter managed to do this in his teens. The kid's a smart cookie.
I doubt the scientists at Wayne Enterprises care where there tech's going as long as they get paid so I don't buy the argument that none of his tech comes from his businesses. I always figured he took the tech that his company designed and applied/installed it into fancy bat-shaped casings etc. No disrespect because I realise Batman is intelligent in a problem-solving way, and probably has more cunning than Spidey.
On top of all this Spidey has a semi-precog ability to sense danger, and the webslinging gives him vertical mobility that Batman can't match. In my opinion (and you're welcome to try and convince me otherwise) Batman's simply outclassed.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
DAMN GOOD POST, but he will definitly try and defy all of your logic.
Thx. Someone's bound to tear it down (or at least try but fail miserably 😛 ) and I don't mind as long as they put reasoning behind it and don't just say Bats wins cos they love him and can't stand to admit that he could lose.
First off, if Bane broke the Bat then I see absolutely no reason why Spider-Man wouldn't do the same.
Bane was smart about it - he didn't just jump into a fight with Batman, pick him up, and snap his spine. Bane let the entirety of Arkham Asylum's inmates loose into the city, forcing Batman to go into immediate action to capture them all again. After being successful, he was severely worn down. This is when Bane attacked him, thrashed him, and then broke him.
Spider-Man is (way) faster, stronger, more durable and more agile, these attributes are superhuman, Batman at his greatest is peak human. I think someone's said it before it's not how many styles of fighting it's how well you know how to use those you know.
He is, but the fact that he's superhuman doesn't make him automatically beyond a mere human's reach (Spider-Man is still a lower-end superhuman). Superhuman only means it's beyond a normal human's physical limitations - it doesn't mean that it cannot be trumped by something lesser than itself. How does Spider-Man survive against the Hulk when he's much weaker and less durable than he? The same logic applies to Batman. Spider-Man is not incapable of being tagged by non-superhumans, and if Batman has a plan (like he usually does), he can maximize his opportunity to whip out some sort of counter-joint (snap Peter's wrist), pressure point (cause enough pain to buckle Peter's knees), or just plain box his ears to disorient him and his equilibrium (he won't be nearly as maneuverable without it).
I dare say Spidey is more intelligent in maths, biochemistry and the physical sciences, the device that dispenses the webs is a feat of engineering and like I said no materials scientists in the real world have yet created a synthetic substance with the tensile strength per density of spider silk while Peter managed to do this in his teens. The kid's a smart cookie.I doubt the scientists at Wayne Enterprises care where there tech's going as long as they get paid so I don't buy the argument that none of his tech comes from his businesses. I always figured he took the tech that his company designed and applied/installed it into fancy bat-shaped casings etc. No disrespect because I realise Batman is intelligent in a problem-solving way, and probably has more cunning than Spidey.
You're correct here. Anyone who says that Batman is building any weapons beyond his simpler ones (batarangs don't require an engineering degree, I'm sure) is giving him far too much credit. But as for everyone saying he's smarter than Spidey, he is where it counts in a fight; being more knowledgeable about biophysics and chemistry will only take you so far in a match unless they challenge each other to an academics stand-off.
I still say Spider-Man wins at least half of the time, but c'mon, it's not as simple as all that.
