Originally posted by Metalmanx
And to lifeisaglich, I'm not going to knock you or anything, I do somewhat agree with what you said. But what you and some people keep forgetting is that not only does he have these abilities, but also incredible speed, which I keep not seeing when someone explains his fighting "style". And I mean more than reflexes. Just the plain speed of his attacks, of all of his moves. He can move so much faster than any normal human (Batman). Not just a little faster. A lot. Batman can't dodge a bullet the way Spidey can. From a stand-still, Batman could not dodge a bullet being shot from only 10 yards away, but Spidey can (I've actually seen this in a comic a couple months ago). Speed plays a HUGE factor here.
Batman is no normal human...he spends most of his days shouting orders to people with enough power to render the world useless...also remember that he is one of the founding member and a former leader the world greatest superheros "The JLA". Batman may be human...he may be a psycho...a sociopath...paranoid is right up his alley....in any words batman is any thing but normal...do you agree....
Batman dodges bullets without the aid of a spider sense and fast enough to dodge sniper bullets...he may not fast enough to dodge one point blank...spiderman being A lot faster than batman is certainly not the case because batman is not your average normal human....
Is 10 yards within the confines of a small bar....because I have seen batman do it to...matrix style...
Spiderman is faster but he is not so fast that batman would not be able to see him coming...or follow his movements..
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Spidey could hit Batman 10 different ways before Bats gets his first move off. And I can't stress enough that I'm not just saying anything that will make Spiderman win. I just know what is right. I do think that Spidey can be beaten by MANY different opponents, just not Batman.
With this statement you are saying that spiderman is the better fighter....and we both know that this is not true....although I understand that these statement was meant to show spiderman's superior speed...which I agree but not in some way that to unleash 10 different ways of buttwup before batman can react...
😂 yeah that pic wasn't selective at allll 🙄 funny how when later superman wasn't effected by the red sun radiation anymore and spideman whaled away on supes only to scream out in pain as he had though he had broken his hands.... pffft
figures, the first post I make on here in a long time and automatically it all gets discarded as bad writing. cordera, you say you want a better argument then "he can" for most things I've already given reasons for why batman can do the things he can do as have many others....however when you guys simply discredit consistant showings of a character you do nothing but make a "no he can't" argument...which is just hypocritical...no offense but really....
Anyways....I find it interesting how much of the rest of the forum uses feats as evidence for situations....now I've given you guys several examples of batman taking class 10 punches to the face without his suit...several examples of batman taking farrrrrr above class 10 punches with the suit and yet all of these occasions simply don't count because YOU'VE deemed them to be crap writing? nuh-uh. sorry but you're opinion on the quality of the material presented isn't what makes the material in question count or not.....sorry but batman's been presented as a character who can consistantly go up against people who farrrr outclass him in physical statistics, he's been presented as a character who's consistantly been hit by people boasting over class 50 strength and survived....so let me ask you guys. How many times does a hero have to do something until it's a proven fact that they can?
Umm no one wants to see Batman seriously injured/dead from a class 10+ punch in a comic. It won't happen in the comic. Doesn't mean it shouldn't happen.
If I took a some guy in peak human physical condition put him in a Kevlar body suit shaped like a bat gave him vast knowledge of the martial arts and a bunch of funky gadgets he'd still lose more often than not to some guy with every physical aspect (strength, speed, agility, durability etc...) enhanced far beyond the capabilities of a man in peak physical condition and one funky gadget that shoots an artificial substance of the tensile strength of spider silk.
Of course this is Batman not just "some guy" so he has a a bottomless utility belt and a killer batkick. 😉
Originally posted by jinzin
😂 yeah that pic wasn't selective at allll 🙄 funny how when later superman wasn't effected by the red sun radiation anymore and spideman whaled away on supes only to scream out in pain as he had though he had broken his hands.... pffft
I don't think spiderman could beat superman myself, so I damned sure know bats cant survive a hit from him, its logic.
Originally posted by jinzin
figures, the first post I make on here in a long time and automatically it all gets discarded as bad writing. cordera, you say you want a better argument then "he can" for most things I've already given reasons for why batman can do the things he can do as have many others....however when you guys simply discredit consistant showings of a character you do nothing but make a "no he can't" argument...which is just hypocritical...no offense but really....
Because there's been no better argument, I get past the fighting, and someone comes along, and starts the whole gadgets up again. There's no exact on his gadgets which is why he this has gone on soooooooo long. What consistant showings? Am I being biased, its okay for Spiderman not to be able to punch superman "obviously", but bats can take a hit from a pissed off one, no offense, but those pics, discredited each other. Thats whyy he "cant", he cant logically take a good hit from superman, and you guys are actually trying to convince me so, and its a sad argument no offense.
Everytime we get past this, some guy comes in with another weak argument of why "he can", anyone who's been here is arguing for themselves at this pont.
Originally posted by jinzin
Anyways....I find it interesting how much of the rest of the forum uses feats as evidence for situations....now I've given you guys several examples of batman taking class 10 punches to the face without his suit...several examples of batman taking farrrrrr above class 10 punches with the suit and yet all of these occasions simply don't count because YOU'VE deemed them to be crap writing? nuh-uh. sorry but you're opinion on the quality of the material presented isn't what makes the material in question count or not.....sorry but batman's been presented as a character who can consistantly go up against people who farrrr outclass him in physical statistics, he's been presented as a character who's consistantly been hit by people boasting over class 50 strength and survived....so let me ask you guys. How many times does a hero have to do something until it's a proven fact that they can?
I say inaccurate, I have nothing against the actual material, just like you think wolverine is unaffected, by class 100 hits, its just absurd. You know you cant' explain "why" he can do so, besides he has to live. Thats why it isn't a suitable enough argument, you're really just saying " when" it happened.
A person hit by a car has some nasty results, I know spiderman can do worse than a car, so why is this even up. I'm not even biased, seeing as someone tried to convince me spiderman moves at supersonic speed. So tell me "why" he can logicalliy, this is a hypothetical debate, I know he can in the comic world. Spiderman beat firelord, right?
"Batman is no normal human...he spends most of his days shouting orders to people with enough power to render the world useless"
Thats exactly what batman is to super poeple. A normal human.
"also remember that he is one of the founding member and a former leader the world greatest superheros "The JLA""
Aquaman is a founding member too. You think anyone will give him a win against supes for example out of water?
"Batman dodges bullets without the aid of a spider sense and fast enough to dodge sniper bullets"
So does Iron Fist and he isent faster than Spidey.
"Is 10 yards within the confines of a small bar....because I have seen batman do it to...matrix style..."
So Batman is like Neo now?
"With this statement you are saying that spiderman is the better fighter....and we both know that this is not true"
He is. Not because he has more skill. But because the speed difference is laughable and the strenght issue also. And durability? lets not go there.
"spiderman is not th better fighter. he is faster, and that gives him an edge. but bats has more fighting skills"
Wich wont give him any edge since hes physically outmatched in everything compared with Spiderman.
IF they wer the same strengh and durabilty then yes. Figthing skills would be of use. SInce they arent. It doesnt matter because in this fight Spidey is the overall better figther.
Originally posted by Solidus Snake
spiderman is not th better fighter. he is faster, and that gives him an edge. but bats has more fighting skills
spiderman is the more effective fighter, therefore the better fighter, bruce lee admitted he couldn't beat muhammad ali, but he has more skills right.
Bottom line is, that batman won't beat spiderman in hand2hand, he'll need a lucky shot to win, I'd place my money on spiderman.
Oh and those arts are overrated, spiderman does fancier moves on a regular basis.
Originally posted by olympian
"spiderman is not th better fighter. he is faster, and that gives him an edge. but bats has more fighting skills"Wich wont give him any edge since hes physically outmatched in everything compared with Spiderman.
IF they wer the same strengh and durabilty then yes. Figthing skills would be of use. SInce they arent. It doesnt matter because in this fight Spidey is the overall better figther.
I agree