Batman vs Spiderman

Originally posted by jinzin
you know I was thinking about this earlier today and merc had a great point... batman's rogues gallery are not melee fighters...they are more psychological criminal masterminds. Even bane was a master tactician and strategist. Batman's villains wear one down at the mental level and attack with surprise, overwhelming numbers, genious planning, and precise execution.... spiderman's villains while being clever are simply not batman's villains when it comes to intelligence...in a no prep drop into a thunderdome type of scenario...spiderman's villains would clean house, but up close and personal is not how batman villains opperate...now you pit those same villains in a story arch where the batman baddies get the learn about the spidey ones and slowly pick them apart at the seams and then strike...and spiderman's baddies don't look so impressive anymore...they're two entirely different types of bad-guys but both equaly effective for where their strengths lie..... spiderman villains are brawlers, batman villains are deviant calculating masterminds...

Lizard, Ock, Mysterio, Morbius, Goblin, Smithy, Kingpin.

All of these guys were masterminds, but spideys villans are still a more deadly threat, IMO>

behead? no...crush skull? yes....

master dai kay tao.... perfected touch of death technique....and 10 day death technique became known as "the ten day death".

was able to land a sufficient blow to any major pressure point and release the "meridians" within the blood stream causing the reciever of the blow to die in a matter of seconds...

ten day death, implicated a single pat to the stomach....the organs would eventually fail the victim, blood would blacken and they would die within ten days....

do you think spiderman would be immune to the touch of death (since you so like the idea that these two are in bloodlust)?

all those villains you mentioned are good at scientific experiementation....save kingpin, but I really wouldn't put them at the intellectual level of batman villains when it comes to disecting an opponent as I described...

Originally posted by jinzin
behead? no...crush skull? yes....

master dai kay tao.... perfected touch of death technique....and 10 day death technique became known as "the ten day death".

was able to land a sufficient blow to any major pressure point and release the "meridians" within the blood stream causing the reciever of the blow to die in a matter of seconds...

ten day death, implicated a single pat to the stomach....the organs would eventually fail the victim, blood would blacken and they would die within ten days....

do you think spiderman would be immune to the touch of death (since you so like the idea that these two are in bloodlust)?

bloodlust by forum guidlines, I don't think spiderman is immune to lesser hits, but more resilient, doc oks tentacles are 4 touches of death.

I've been over the lack of a stronger material to absorb more damage, so in a hard material protecting a weaker, it would absorb less. On a previous post of yours.

But all that technique is great, but if spiderman were to hit in a general area in bloodlust, the result is fatal.

Also in bloodlust, batman would have a harder time focusing those hits, and since spiderman moves so fast with an early warning system, he would never get the precious moment to nail and hit a spot that would be desired and required for a fatal blow.

Originally posted by jinzin
all those villains you mentioned are good at scientific experiementation....save kingpin, but I really wouldn't put them at the intellectual level of batman villains when it comes to disecting an opponent as I described...

Mayhaps not, but they are still masterminds, and they are great fighters as well,capable of thinking on the fly...

fatal? perhaps not...but batman's well within the limits of doing serious damage to internal organs and slowing spidey down...not that he would...but it's very conceivable, infact, i remember that being one of the biggest reasons why spidey should keep his distance from bats in hand to hand...where spidey's content at bashing away...batman just needs one well placed strike to end this thing...once again..not saying he definietly will...just that he's very dangerous even for spidey in a h2h confrontation.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Mayhaps not, but they are still masterminds, and they are great fighters as well,capable of thinking on the fly...

who isn't?

Originally posted by jinzin
fatal? perhaps not...but batman's well within the limits of doing serious damage to internal organs and slowing spidey down...not that he would...but it's very conceivable, infact, i remember that being one of the biggest reasons why spidey should keep his distance from bats in hand to hand...where spidey's content at bashing away...batman just needs one well placed strike to end this thing...once again..not saying he definietly will...just that he's very dangerous even for spidey in a h2h confrontation.

Indeed but I also feel that he has taken it from more deadly attacks, and gone in. It still isn't fully effective for bats hand to hand imo.

It isn't worth the risk, would you attempt running up to a tiger, to tranquilize it. Even if you got the animal asleep it isn't worth the risk.

For your second question, to maximize effiency, they are great at thinking on the fly. Like spiderman, he picks apart weaknesses well.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Indeed but I also feel that he has taken it from more deadly attacks, and gone in. It still isn't fully effective for bats hand to hand imo.

It isn't worth the risk, would you attempt running up to a tiger, to tranquilize it. Even if you got the animal asleep it isn't worth the risk.

For your second question, to maximize effiency, they are great at thinking on the fly. Like spiderman, he picks apart weaknesses well.

picking apart weaknesses is what batman does best hence the whole he can beat anybody and their momma with prep time argument...lol...

but...IMO it's equally as dangerous for spidey to get up close as it is for batman, batman just has more of an overall durability than spiderman due to the suit, and at range, it's anybodies game as they both have effective weapons....like I said before 50/50.

I guess obviously we see differently, but the tools spidey faces and beats up,is more than it would be for batman who doesn't use his techniques like that too often.

If this is a random match and batman sees that he is superhuman, then I doubt he would use that as his primary strategy. Regardless I think he'd go long range.

he only uses such techniques when he needs them...no use in using them against 30 thugs when a half assed attempt will more than suffice..

Agreed, same with spiderman. Though I was mentioning baddies.

You misunderstand the difference between pressure and force. Pressure is the force divided by an area, the high pressure of a punch is due to the small area of a fist. A car definitely impacts with more force and causes a much larger transfer of momentum.

It's the transfer of momentum from the moving body, the moving vehicle, to the stationary body, the person, that causes damage. Since total momentum is conserved in an isolated system if the car stops it loses its large momentum then the person gains it. Their masses do not change so the person undergoes a large increase in speed i.e. acceleration and therefore force.

If a non superpowered person could punch with the force of a speeding car then they should be able to stop a speeding car by punching it.

Batman does not have the "damage of a car wreck" behind each and every one of his punches.

Originally posted by jinzin
and over-power spiderman's ....BOO YA! how ya like them stats?

Originally posted by jinzin
all those villains you mentioned are good at scientific experiementation....save kingpin, but I really wouldn't put them at the intellectual level of batman villains when it comes to disecting an opponent as I described...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You misunderstand the difference between pressure and force. Pressure is the force divided by an area, the high pressure of a punch is due to the small area of a fist. A car definitely impacts with more force and causes a much larger transfer of momentum.

It's the transfer of momentum from the moving body, the moving vehicle, to the stationary body, the person, that causes damage. Since total momentum is conserved in an isolated system if the car stops it loses its large momentum then the person gains it. Their masses do not change so the person undergoes a large increase in speed i.e. acceleration and therefore force.

[B]If a non superpowered person could punch with the force of a speeding car then they should be able to stop a speeding car by punching it.

Batman does not have the "damage of a car wreck" behind each and every one of his punches. [/B]

But he kicked down a Tree!!! He also Punched Hulk in the stomach!!!
And Hulk can stop a speeding car!!!

Batman's punch>>>Hulk>> force of speeding car

This thread still going? Spidey wins. He is stronger, faster, not as smart but still very smart. Batman has experience but it counts for nothing if he cant touch spidey. God bless the Spidersense................

This is silly about the ice, its all about equal and direct force. The men who break so easily shards of ice, would never bread a plastic bag of water of the same size, with a punch.

Originally posted by jinzin
the other 20% must be the PIS CIS arguments that try to neglect how wolverine's actually beaten and humiliated spidey on a number of occasions...

the ones where spiderman wasn't fighting his best, the stalemate, or the one's where he doesn't have his full abiliites.