Batman vs Spiderman

Yeah sorry, that statement was meant to be misleading.

Here's a better question for you.

Why not actually debate the topic?

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Yeah sorry, that statement was meant to be misleading.

Here's a better question for you.

Why not actually debate the topic?

I did. Batman is weaker slower and everything than spiderman. Hes smarter but Spidey is smart too.

Spidermans Spidersense tells him of the stupid Batarangs, and Spidey websBatman off to start with so he cant move. Spidey sees Batman take something out his belt , so he webs the belt.

Spidey K.os Batman, and tells him to go fight losers back in gotham.

Originally posted by Logan 87
I did. Batman is weaker slower and everything than spiderman. Hes smarter but Spidey is smart too.

Spidermans Spidersense tells him of the stupid Batarangs, and Spidey websBatman off to start with so he cant move. Spidey sees Batman take something out his belt , so he webs the belt.

Spidey K.os Batman, and tells him to go fight losers back in gotham.

Alright, obviously Batman is weaker, but he is not much slower. Just the way you said Spidey is smart too, I can say Batman is fast too.

Yes of course Spidey's Spidey-sense would tell him of the stupid Batarangs, but what about a explosion-gas-batarang combo? Batman can provide skilled enough attacks to catch Spidey as has been proven by virtually every street level character who's worth a damn in marvel. As for spidey webbing the belt, while a good webbing could definitley lead to a Spidey victory, I do beleive you've failed to take into account Batman's dodging ability.

Heh, well Like before Spidey webs Batmans hands before he throws. Like he did to hob goblin and his pumkin. Batman opens his belt, reaches for the w/e and holds it in throwing position. The man gets webbed and he explodes.

He did that to Batman or to Hobgoblin? The differince in skill between the two is immense. You know Bats is quick on the draw right? He could basically take it to any "western" character.

Yeah But Spiderman is way quicker than Batman will ever dream of. Spiderman webs Batman up completly before he even does anything, like Spidey does to normal thugs he just sees. Webs then ask questions.

Come on now, you definitley have to see that you're down playing Bats here. Why didn't he just web up Punisher, Fisk, Fury, the white ninja, DD, Wolverine, Shocker, this list goes on and on man. None of those guys are faster than Batman.

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Come on now, you definitley have to see that you're down playing Bats here. Why didn't he just web up Punisher, Fisk, Fury, the white ninja, DD, Wolverine, Shocker, this list goes on and on man. None of those guys are faster than Batman.

Why didnt Batman, Throw exploding stuff at.

Joker, Catwoman,riddler, scarface,twoface,bane.

I can actually answer that question. It would kill them. He only uses that stuff on people who'd survive it.

Now you answer my question.

Ok. Spidey didnt just web them because Punisher has files on wall crawlers so he whips out the raid, and knows what he up agaisnt so he comes prepared. Dd is a friend so he kool. he did web the rest but wouldnt punch them to with max strength because it will kill them. Oh yeah how is what Batman does killing Clayface.

Some of what you said just isn't true, He didn't web Punisher because he's too much of an offensive threat, a good offense is the best defence after all. DD is a friend who didn't get webbed. The rest he's webbed but not every time they meet and they've all certainly at one point or another had the upper hand on him.

Please rephrase the last question, I don't quite follow.

Well its no prep and they both are in character, so even though Bats wont get the chance to throw that crap, he would know it would kill him. So he wouldnt . Hobgonblins and Green through pumkins when they first met soand Spidey lived. Also Bats dont know about Spider sense so why would he throw it.

Well first they've already met, but even if you want to discount that...

It would take batman no more than 2 seconds to figure out Spidey was enhanced at the most. He's the world greatest detective for a reason.

And while spiderman has done pretty well at dodging pumpkins, he's also been hit by them. Batman certainly throws with more skill than any pumpkin lobber so he'd have a good chance at hitting.

Even so it doesnt kill him because Batman doesnt kill. Spidersense warns Spidey so he dodges. If it explodes behind him, well the Green Gobs pumkins did, and he still spinning webs, so once he sees that explode he aint going to let it happen again.

Ok see now you need to tell me how you're argueing. Are they going for the kill or not?

I just need to make a statement that was brought up some time ago in this thread.....in the myth-buster show on discovery channel (during shark week) they were trying to dispel some myth about protecting your self from sharks and to do so one of the myth, they hard to take in the force at which someone might use to push the shark way.

One of the guys in the myth-buster clocked their fastest punch at 20mph...the force of the punch was not given because it was not relevant to what they were doing...so it was never mention....so anyways it still goes to show that a trained martial artist could deliver punches clocked in at speeds greater than 20mph to deliver blows with the force of a moving car..the only problem a car has more surface and the only difference is a car's impact is directed all over your body while a punch of the same force is directed to a single area of the body.

This was brought up way back and xmarksthespot gave an estimate of a punch clocked in at 15mph (xmarksthespot was greatly generous when he gave the 15mph estimate, when he was trying to dispute martial artist hitting with the force of car) but a guy with no background in martial arts clocked in a speed of 20mph.

Why did I post this because the theories present by us, seems to agree with what was presented by a couple of physicist on tv with high tech equipment.

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
I just need to make a statement that was brought up some time ago in this thread.....in the myth-buster show on discovery channel (during shark week) they were trying to dispel some myth about protecting your self from sharks and to do so one of the myth, they hard to take in the force at which someone might use to push the shark way.

One of the guys in the myth-buster clocked their fastest punch at 20mph...the force of the punch was not given because it was not relevant to what they were doing...so it was never mention....so anyways it still goes to show that a trained martial artist could deliver punches clocked in at speeds greater than 20mph to deliver blows with the force of a moving car..the only problem a car has more surface and the only difference is a car's impact is directed all over your body while a punch of the same force is directed to a single area of the body.

This was brought up way back and xmarksthespot gave an estimate of a punch clocked in at 15mph (xmarksthespot was greatly generous when he gave the 15mph estimate, when he was trying to dispute martial artist hitting with the force of car) but a guy with no background in martial arts clocked in a speed of 20mph.

Why did I post this because the theories present by us, seems to agree with what was presented by a couple of physicist on tv with high tech equipment.

Thanks for the science glich, although I'm rather uncertain of who you're argueing for.

Sorry....this week is Shark week.

It doesn't matter but I was just trying to show that theories which were presented about batman were kind of moving in the right direction. Details like how strong he could actually punch...and stuff.....tis all

I derived the 15mph value as an estimate from the pressure value Jinzin gave. If I recall he said his discovery documentary showed that martial artists produce very high pressures and somehow deduced that damage could be solely attributed to pressure. No figure was given for the speed of the car, in the car wrecks that these pressure values were said to be equivalent, so I lowballed it.

The argument on the Batman side was that his punch would produce more damage on a recipient than a moving vehicle, which is false. The pressure of a punch could be equivalent to the pressure exerted by the area of the full front of the car, as pressure is a ratio i.e. smaller force over smaller area can have a comparable pressure to larger force over larger area.

However the transfer in momentum from the moving body to the stationary body, when a car collides with a human is higher than when a fist collides with a human. In the car collision there is a greater increase in momentum of the stationary body (p = mv) mass of the stationary body does not change therefore velocity must increase. Greater increase in velocity therefore greater acceleration therefore greater force (F = ma).

I'm not a physicist in profession so I may be wrong (though I have studied some physics), but I'd say Batman's mass is not comparable to that of a motor vehicle, nor is his speed if the car is travelling faster than for the sake of argument 30mph, and thus neither is the momentum he can transfer upon collision.

I've already asked those that argue that the damage between the two scenarios is comparable or that the force exerted by a punch can more than match the force of a moving vehicle to consider whether a martial artist could punch a moving vehicle to bring it to rest or reverse it.

Anyway I'm pretty much done with this thread. General consensus is that Spider-Man wins more often than not. Though you're welcome to continue arguing the contrary to your heart's content. 😉

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I derived the 15mph value as an estimate from the pressure value Jinzin gave. If I recall he said his discovery documentary showed that martial artists produce very high pressures and somehow deduced that damage could be solely attributed to pressure. No figure was given for the speed of the car, in the car wrecks that these pressure values were said to be equivalent, so I lowballed it.

The argument on the Batman side was that his punch would produce more [b]damage on a recipient than a moving vehicle, which is false. The pressure of a punch could be equivalent to the pressure exerted by the area of the full front of the car, as pressure is a ratio i.e. smaller force over smaller area can have a comparable pressure to larger force over larger area.

However the transfer in momentum from the moving body to the stationary body, when a car collides with a human is higher than when a fist collides with a human. In the car collision there is a greater increase in momentum of the stationary body (p = mv) mass of the stationary body does not change therefore velocity must increase. Greater increase in velocity therefore greater acceleration therefore greater force (F = ma).

I'm not a physicist in profession so I may be wrong (though I have studied some physics), but I'd say Batman's mass is not comparable to that of a motor vehicle, nor is his speed if the car is travelling faster than for the sake of argument 30mph, and thus neither is the momentum he can transfer upon collision.

I've already asked those that argue that the damage between the two scenarios is comparable or that the force exerted by a punch can more than match the force of a moving vehicle to consider whether a martial artist could punch a moving vehicle to bring it to rest or reverse it.

Anyway I'm pretty much done with this thread. General consensus is that Spider-Man wins more often than not. Though you're welcome to continue arguing the contrary to your heart's content. 😉 [/B]

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