All the memories me and jinzin back and ford going with good points and Mercilous making no damn sense at all but his hate of marvel kept him going.I stop coming here after I pretty much shut down every one of jinzin(the only good debater for Batman's side) arguments and he continued on with less and less convincing arguments.Some people just need to open there eyes stop stupid shit down just because they like one character better then the other one.
I derived the 15mph value as an estimate from the pressure value Jinzin gave. If I recall he said his discovery documentary showed that martial artists produce very high pressures and somehow deduced that damage could be solely attributed to pressure. No figure was given for the speed of the car, in the car wrecks that these pressure values were said to be equivalent, so I lowballed it.
Well you now have an accurate reading done by the discovery channel and not an estimate of 15mph. And a guy did even more so the punch was of 20mph, and with no background in martial arts at all.
The argument on the Batman side was that his punch would produce more damage on a recipient than a moving vehicle, which is false. The pressure of a punch could be equivalent to the pressure exerted by the area of the full front of the car, as pressure is a ratio i.e. smaller force over smaller area can have a comparable pressure to larger force over larger area.
Yes batman’s punches are going to produce more damage. Batman is said to be one of the greatest martial artist alive. And his punches are going to be stronger than the ones produced by martial artist in the real world. And by the way batman’s punches should be to do more damage. Here’s my reasoning lets say batman strongest punch is clocked at 45mph and produces so and so damage. Now a car moving below 45 mph is it going to do more damage than the one batman inflicted? No and besides batman punches or anyone’s for that matter are directed to a specific location. Now if the car is clocked in above 45mph the car should do a lot of damage.
However the transfer in momentum from the moving body to the stationary body, when a car collides with a human is higher than when a fist collides with a human. In the car collision there is a greater increase in momentum of the stationary body (p = mv) mass of the stationary body does not change therefore velocity must increase. Greater increase in velocity therefore greater acceleration therefore greater force (F = ma).
The collision of the car with the human is going to have greater momentum because of the transfer of force to the stationary human.
I'm not a physicist in profession so I may be wrong (though I have studied some physics), but I'd say Batman's mass is not comparable to that of a motor vehicle, nor is his speed if the car is traveling faster than for the sake of argument 30mph, and thus neither is the momentum he can transfer upon collision.
Physics is not my strong point either but what you explained seems to be on the money but people have been hit by vehicles moving at 65 miles per hour and survive, (but the car is still dealing more damage than a human). Maximum Exposure: saw a person being slammed by a rally car at incredible speed but said person still survive granted with some broken bones and some other stuff, I would not wish on even my greatest enemy, (ok maybe I would) but the cars is still dealing more damage than a human. This is reality now lets go into the comic world batman went through a 3 ft tree where as a car would rap it self around the tree. Obliviously the car has more force but batman did more damage…
I've already asked those that argue that the damage between the two scenarios is comparable or that the force exerted by a punch can more than match the force of a moving vehicle to consider whether a martial artist could punch a moving vehicle to bring it to rest or reverse it.
No, a martial artist in the real world would not be able to reverse a car in the said scenario. My theory is if said person has the same mass and weight as the car that is coming towards him he or she should be able to stop it but a martial artist in the comic world would be able to without too much problems, if they anchor in their chi
Anyway I'm pretty much done with this thread. General consensus is that Spider-Man wins more often than not. Though you're welcome to continue arguing the contrary to your heart's content.
I would like to start by saying thanks. And would just like to add one thing spiderman stands more of chance of wining their initial encounters more often than not and after those initial encounters it is all down hill for spiderman. You’re welcome to argue contrary to your heart’s content. See ya.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Well you now have an accurate reading done by the discovery channel and not an estimate of 15mph. And a guy did even more so the punch was of 20mph, and with no background in martial arts at all.
Spiderman should still accomplish the starting speed of 300-400mph easily within the first punch...
20mph is childs play to him.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Yes batman’s punches are going to produce more damage. Batman is said to be one of the greatest martial artist alive. And his punches are going to be stronger than the ones produced by martial artist in the real world. And by the way batman’s punches should be to do more damage. Here’s my reasoning lets say batman strongest punch is clocked at 45mph and produces so and so damage. Now a car moving below 45 mph is it going to do more damage than the one batman inflicted? No and besides batman punches or anyone’s for that matter are directed to a specific location. Now if the car is clocked in above 45mph the car should do a lot of damage.
In a wreck with you IN the vehicle, quite different than a car hitting you, that would simply be false, that would be more of spiderman's league.
I was hit by a car going 60 and little happened, so this point is vague, as it would be a car crash that would be too insignificant regardless.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
The collision of the car with the human is going to have greater momentum because of the transfer of force to the stationary human.
And you know that a decent car speed hitting a human removes their limbs more often than not. Thats what spiderman would be doing, batman isn't strong enough to.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Physics is not my strong point either but what you explained seems to be on the money but people have been hit by vehicles moving at 65 miles per hour and survive, (but the car is still dealing more damage than a human). Maximum Exposure: saw a person being slammed by a rally car at incredible speed but said person still survive granted with some broken bones and some other stuff, I would not wish on even my greatest enemy, (ok maybe I would) but the cars is still dealing more damage than a human. This is reality now lets go into the comic world batman went through a 3 ft tree where as a car would rap it self around the tree. Obliviously the car has more force but batman did more damage…
Spiderman generates forces around this anyway, batman doesn't.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
No, a martial artist in the real world would not be able to reverse a car in the said scenario. My theory is if said person has the same mass and weight as the car that is coming towards him he or she should be able to stop it but a martial artist in the comic world would be able to without too much problems, if they anchor in their chi
Not a human, maybe someone like KK, but not batman. Keep in mind to augment chi would be more of a one strike tactic for batman, he isn't capable of chi augmentation like Akuma or something.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
I would like to start by saying thanks. And would just like to add one thing spiderman stands more of chance of wining their initial encounters more often than not and after those initial encounters it is all down hill for spiderman. You’re welcome to argue contrary to your heart’s content. See ya.
I still disagree, but thats your opinion there. 3 is being generous, and IF they did go downhill, he'd be so far uphill to warrant a loss.
WOW
SPIDERMAN WINS THIS.
He is faster, stronger, more agile, has a spider-sense, better reflexes
Bats has got fighting skillz which are useless cos he wont be able to use them, spidey's too fast, gadgets which are useless due to spideys speed and finally Bats has a reputation as a homosexual, which wont help him i think.......................
Lol but come on, Spidey webs his whole body. So he wins. bats dont know spidey spidersense or knows he wont die from a bomb so he wont do it.
But in this pic he scared of heterosexual marriage, but take a close look at Robin with no pants, hes so ****ing happy because he knows he got Bats all to himself.
Originally posted by Logan 87
Lol but come on, Spidey webs his whole body. So he wins. bats dont know spidey spidersense or knows he wont die from a bomb so he wont do it.But in this pic he scared of heterosexual marriage, but take a close look at Robin with no pants, hes so ****ing happy because he knows he got Bats all to himself.
He can web wolverine's body too.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
wolverine cant break it without using his claws, if they are put in a posistion...You know the rest... 🤘
You realy hate the man lol. We talking about Batman Vs Spiderman.
Shit even the prep man is more loved. I got to make Wolverine Vs jubilee and I bet they say healing factor and claws wont cut it here, so jubilee wins.
Originally posted by Logan 87
You realy hate the man lol. We talking about Batman Vs Spiderman.Shit even the prep man is more loved. I got to make Wolverine Vs jubilee and I bet they say healing factor and claws wont cut it here, so jubilee wins.
NO I actually think wolverine won against quite a few people, I just don't like some of the guys who thinks he beats Iron Man.
Respond in the namor thread.
Originally posted by willRuleslol. That's f**ked up........but true.
WOWSPIDERMAN WINS THIS.
He is faster, stronger, more agile, has a spider-sense, better reflexes
Bats has got fighting skillz which are useless cos he wont be able to use them, spidey's too fast, gadgets which are useless due to spideys speed and finally Bats has a reputation as a homosexual, which wont help him i think.......................