Originally posted by Metalmanx
What are you talking about? Spiderman could take many more bullets than Batman could without the suit. Just because the bullets actually do pierce his skin, doesn't mean they bring him down. Spidey would definitely feel the bullets. No question there. But they wouldn't hinder him enough to stop him. I'd go so far as to say that if the bullets struck non-vital parts (head, neck, etc.), then Spidey could definitely keep fighting, with a decent amount of pain attached of course.
It is a good thing that Jinzin made it clear that batman has his suit on.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Batman could take maybe...two or three bullets at the most. Without his batsuit I mean. So really, that doesn't mean too much.
You will get no arguments from me on this one.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Jin, are you really sticking to your Mother Box version of Batman? Cuz you know that's not right. We could always use Cosmic Spiderman then if you'd like.
Oh yeah...we could bring in the batman from the very far future who's one toy could make all of the current batman's toys look like pretty little flowers. You know....the batman who is a warden to a planet prison. That's right Pluto is a prison planet and this batman is the only one on the planet taking care of the inmates and with that said I don't think you would like it if we use this batman either.
Originally posted by Jinzin
you know something just came to me that I'm kicking myself for not thinking of before...we are using the current versions of all these characters right? well for the past 2 years now, on multiple occasions, when batman's been murauding around with superman, he's proven to carry with him on a pretty consistant basis a tool that would make a HUUUUUGGGGEEE difference in this fight. he carries a mother box around with him...that said, this fights over faster than you can say boom tube..aside from the fact that batman can boom tube him away, mother box would also tell batman preordaned knowledge of spiderman's powers just by being there, aside from that, it would increase batman's strength by 2 or so, ASIDE FROM THAT, it would increase his durability into the class 50 range or so, and ASIDE FROM THAT it would give him a healing factor of sorts (it started repairing superman's arm as soon as dd broke it, it helped darksied recover from his deathbed in a few hours, it would definitely take care of bats,
considering batman was putting up a good fight against spiderman before....given this..............SPIDEY IS SO SCREWED!
NICE Jinzin...very nice...game...set...match 🙂
Originally posted by jinzinHas Batman been seen with this Mother Box when he wasn't "murauding around with superman"?
you know something just came to me that I'm kicking myself for not thinking of before...we are using the current versions of all these characters right? well for the past 2 years now, on multiple occasions, when batman's been murauding around with superman, he's proven to carry with him on a pretty consistant basis a tool that would make a HUUUUUGGGGEEE difference in this fight. he carries a mother box around with him...that said, this fights over faster than you can say boom tube..aside from the fact that batman can boom tube him away, mother box would also tell batman preordaned knowledge of spiderman's powers just by being there, aside from that, it would increase batman's strength by 2 or so, ASIDE FROM THAT, it would increase his durability into the class 50 range or so, and ASIDE FROM THAT it would give him a healing factor of sorts (it started repairing superman's arm as soon as dd broke it, it helped darksied recover from his deathbed in a few hours, it would definitely take care of bats,
considering batman was putting up a good fight against spiderman before....given this..............SPIDEY IS SO SCREWED!
Originally posted by jinzin
you know something just came to me that I'm kicking myself for not thinking of before...we are using the current versions of all these characters right? well for the past 2 years now, on multiple occasions, when batman's been murauding around with superman, he's proven to carry with him on a pretty consistant basis a tool that would make a HUUUUUGGGGEEE difference in this fight. he carries a mother box around with him...that said, this fights over faster than you can say boom tube..aside from the fact that batman can boom tube him away, mother box would also tell batman preordaned knowledge of spiderman's powers just by being there, aside from that, it would increase batman's strength by 2 or so, ASIDE FROM THAT, it would increase his durability into the class 50 range or so, and ASIDE FROM THAT it would give him a healing factor of sorts (it started repairing superman's arm as soon as dd broke it, it helped darksied recover from his deathbed in a few hours, it would definitely take care of bats,
considering batman was putting up a good fight against spiderman before....given this..............SPIDEY IS SO SCREWED!
An interesting variant on the, "He's Batman." "He has something to stop him." "He'll find a way." argument. But little more. It's basically an admission that Batman wouldn't win without a plot device.
When does he carry it in that magic bottomless wormhole utility belt? Whenever he's out patrolling? Does he use it when he fights regular crooks? Or is it just conveniently written in whenever necessary so that he doesn't seem like a chump compared to Supes.
I could just as easily say "Spider-Man had cosmic powers for a while, maybe he has them again."
Originally posted by Metalmanx
What are you talking about? Spiderman could take many more bullets than Batman could without the suit. Just because the bullets actually do pierce his skin, doesn't mean they bring him down. Spidey would definitely feel the bullets. No question there. But they wouldn't hinder him enough to stop him. I'd go so far as to say that if the bullets struck non-vital parts (head, neck, etc.), then Spidey could definitely keep fighting, with a decent amount of pain attached of course.Batman could take maybe...two or three bullets at the most. Without his batsuit I mean. So really, that doesn't mean too much.
Jin, are you really sticking to your Mother Box version of Batman? Cuz you know that's not right. We could always use Cosmic Spiderman then if you'd like.
no you can't cosmic spiderman was a one shot deal, he got his poweres specifically to beat the tri-sent and then they were gone, batman as he currently is HAS A FREAKIN MOTHER BOX....I'm sorry if that's a cheap win, but it's a win, and it makes me sad that I forgot about it in the first place, in either case, batman can put up a good fight against spiderman without it but with it he wins, and since he DOES have one and has been consistantly carrying it around, then that's the character as he currently is, you don't like it? that's fine it's your opinion, but don't try to degrade him because his best weapon's gonna make spiderman look like a nusance in this fight.....
as to what batman can take without his batsuit....who cares? this isn't batman (naked) vs. spiderman so he obviously has his suit. spiderman got downed with one bullet to the torso and died in amazing 5 something, batman can take more spidey can't, and has proven not to.
anywho, I think that this whole motherbox thing may just well explain why batman has been seen taking so much punishment and standing up to it as of late, darksied beating, superman punch, evil supes punch, wonder woman punch, captain marvel shazam lighting.
it really DOES start to make sense if you think about it.
Originally posted by brainchild81
Has Batman been seen with this Mother Box when he wasn't "murauding around with superman"?
thus far...I don't know...not lately, but batman's got like 6 or 7 of his own books to follow, it's too much, aside from the red hood story arch, the vs supes one, and the vs, demon one, I can only keep up with so much, but he's shown to consistantly carry it around nonetheless so I fail to see the point.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
An interesting variant on the, "He's Batman." "He has something to stop him." "He'll find a way." argument. But little more. It's basically an admission that Batman wouldn't win without a plot device.When does he carry it in that magic bottomless wormhole utility belt? Whenever he's out patrolling? Does he use it when he fights regular crooks? Or is it just conveniently written in whenever necessary so that he doesn't seem like a chump compared to Supes.
I could just as easily say "Spider-Man had cosmic powers for a while, maybe he has them again."
actually you can't...spidey's cosmic powers were the powers of captain universe, captain universe picks it's host, spidey didn't have the option, it picked him.....then left him...so unless it picked him again, he wouldn't have them.....the difference, the mother box is a tool batman can CHOOSE to have at his disposal. Now I already knew you guys were going to try and argue that he doesn't use this kind of device when dealing with normal crooks so why whould he have it here?.....but you just answered your own question...we ALLLLLLLL know what batman's truly capible of, if he was so desperate to assert his power over his rogues gallery or his "normal crooks" then he could very well find the means to enhance himself with an armored suit, via booster gold style, or get hishands on a gl ring, or build an iron man like mech suit (similar to the ones in kingdom come), or just use his batwing-jet for nightly patrols instead of hopping rooftops, or even instill superpowers into himself like lex luthor. The point? batman has the resources to do all of this but he fights these guys on their own level anyways, but why? well I'll tell you, batman is a psycho, he took his parent's death very personal, that's why he's going out there and handling these guys alone, rather than hiring a team of people to do it for him, it's more of a psychological question than it is a question of capability. Batman has the capability to do everything I just mentioned, he has the resoureces yet he doesn't use them to the fullest, he only uses them as he needs them at any given time. So him not using a mother box against FARRRR weaker foes that he can take down without it anyways is really not an effective arguement....but nice try nonetheless.
batman's at his best right? that includes what he consistantly carries on him right? exactly, so he has a mother box, if the outcome ever comes in doubt he uses it and wins.
the fact that you had to bring up cosmic spiderman as some sort of defense for spidey is all the proof I need to see that you're scraping the bottem of the bucket here..
you said I admitted that batman needs a plot device to win, but you're mistaken...hence my last statement in that post, read it over, batman gives spidey a hard run without it (or did you miss that?), and just for the record, since when IN THE **** is batman's utility belt considered a plot device? I guess spiderman's spidey sense is a plot device too then it should not be trusted, hence batman wins via gasbombs anyways....
Originally posted by jinzin
thus far...I don't know...not lately, but batman's got like 6 or 7 of his own books to follow, it's too much, aside from the red hood story arch, the vs supes one, and the vs, demon one, I can only keep up with so much, but he's shown to consistantly carry it around nonetheless so I fail to see the point.
I think brainchild is implying what I'm also implying, plot device. Do you see him carrying it when he doesn't use it, if not then that's purely assumption. How can you be shown to consistently carry around a concealed object. He always carries it around or he always carries it around whenever the writers want to make him use it later?
Cosmic Spider-Man is as valid as Mother Box Batman. Whose to say it's a one off. Maybe it'll happen again in the comics. Maybe it'll happen in this fight. And maybe Batman will have the Mother Box the next time he needs it in the comics or in this too. Who knows what's in his utility belt.
I know you still think that Batman wins without this tool, I never presume to know another's opinion. I was just saying I'm happy to accept that Batman wins with this plot device if you're satisfied with a hollow victory. 😄
BTW You believe the myth of Batman's innovative scientific genius. I have yet to be convinced.
(Oh crap I think I'm being sucked back into the endless Batman vs Spider-Man thread)
spidey came in and beat up an already dwindled down demo (hobby had been kicking his ass for some time at that point) AFTER getting the drop on him. you seem to be missing the point, for all spidey's webs, agility, and oooooooh spider sense, a simple lob of a gas bomb did the trick...what happens when batman throws three of those way faster at one time with expert precision?
spidey fall down now....