Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Batman is a great strategist, and the reason this is not up for debate is because batman soundly outclasses spiderman in this department. Spiderman can dodge but what if your opponent can also dodge bullets as well plus he does it without any kind of help but by the skills he gained over the years. A person who is this good and cheats would most certainly have a plan 99.99999999% of the time.So you are going to tell me that no spiderman fan have never called most of the things that batman have done as PIS/CIS to justify why it would not count in this batman vs. spiderman match??
He doesn't outclass him in wit, and since this is a random fight...
He can't have a plan in this situation, you guys are just pulling straws.
Originally posted by jinzin
it actually has to do with this fight more than you think....1. batman was able to harm a foe multitude stronger than himself or spider for that matter...
2. batman was able to easily use his batmobile to secure a victory where victory off his assets alone where slim.
3. he took a hit from someone multitudes stronger than himself or spidey again and he was fine...again.
and 4. he was able to keep pace with someone who had every physical attribute to his advantage like spidey does....AND win....
I don't care if you think I'm not qualified for debating because I don't choose to run and hide behind the pis argument...it really doesn't matter what you think on the issue..if I'm so inept maybe you should just ignore me....
Of course spiderman never does ANY of this.
Batman has to try MUCH harder than spiderman to secure ANY victory whatsoever, and in this situation, you're using any luck you can dig up, in comics batman dodges stuff while flash gets hit, a hypothetical debate doesn't work that way friend.
Originally posted by Gotham Girl
hes faster than a speeding bullet now ?
Poor poor child let me explain something to you: 😉
Spiderman has logically come out of matches UNTOUCHED, he's been described as a BLUR many a time.
There is a HUGE difference between someone shooting guys like batman and wolverine and missing, because they have bad aim, and someone like spiderman dodging, (the bullet WOULD have hit him if he hadn't moved).
A BIG difference.
Exactly. Batman dodges where the bad guys shoot since they can't seem to keep a gun trained on him like good henchmen are supposed to. He dodges where the gun is pointing, not where the bullet is going.
Spiderman, however, actually dodges the bullet itself. If he didn't dodge the bullet, he would get hit. The difference is, whenever Spidey is shot at, the bullets would hit him, unlike a lot of times with Batman where the gun isn't even on target.
I know I'm going to get lots of uproar back from this, but it's true. Batman just doesn't have that kind of speed nor reflexes.
Spidey-sense helps a lot, too. But he still is able to do it on his own.
Originally posted by havok801125
I've got a good reason .....webbing.....whats to say spidey can't spray some around his ears to muffle the sound?......I mean there has got to be a way to negate the sonics or else bats would sucumb to the effects as well.....Also in the same vein I'VE yet to see someone come up with a reason why spidey can't rip batmans armour off.....I mean the dudes got sticky hands for pete's sake plus webbing which he can use just as effectively......
and one more thing you guys have been mentioning bats wide ranging attack.....what about spideys?.....he can deploy his webbing pretty effectively like a net......sure bats may pull out a batrang to cut it or acid but this would take some time.....time which spidey would use to come in close and finish this match
the sonics move in an outward pattern and project forward...they are not going to hurt him...why would he make a eapon that hurts himself? 😕
anyways....you bring up a decent point on spidey ripping off the armor...but let's look at it this way....if spiderman does have to come to a point where he's considering that as an option, than batman will have already been putting up one hell of a fight.....I really doubt spidey's going to last that long to come up with that sort of gameplan....I mean he doesn't have preordaned knowledge of batman so he would probably mistaken batman's durability as some sort of power rather than his suit...batman however (using his motherbox tech) could get such info on spidey....I think this is a huge advantage...I also don't think that spiderman could effectively web his ears before the sonics took effect on him....if he does however, he leaves himself open for one of any number of wide range attacks that batman could nail him with.....
and again...gas attacks have worked fine against spidey from people with less precision and far less training......spiderman has h2h and webs to work with...batman's simply got more versatility in the ranged weapons dept....not to say spidey's not versatile, just that batman's moreso...
spiderman's got the spidersense going for him sure, but how effective is a spidersense when up against an opponent who's four steps ahead of your every move anyways......
we've seen what happens when spiderman goes toe to toe with an expert stratigest/h2h fighter....spidey got humiliated....up against batman with far more weapons and resources....well............
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Poor poor child let me explain something to you: 😉Spiderman has logically come out of matches UNTOUCHED, he's been described as a BLUR many a time.
There is a HUGE difference between someone shooting guys like batman and wolverine and missing, because they have bad aim, and someone like spiderman dodging, (the bullet WOULD have hit him if he hadn't moved).
A BIG difference.
guess you missed the bullet dodging examples huh?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Exactly. Batman dodges where the bad guys shoot since they can't seem to keep a gun trained on him like good henchmen are supposed to. He dodges where the gun is pointing, not where the bullet is going.Spiderman, however, actually dodges the bullet itself. If he didn't dodge the bullet, he would get hit. The difference is, whenever Spidey is shot at, the bullets would hit him, unlike a lot of times with Batman where the gun isn't even on target.
I know I'm going to get lots of uproar back from this, but it's true. Batman just doesn't have that kind of speed nor reflexes.
Spidey-sense helps a lot, too. But he still is able to do it on his own.
the gun isn't on target because batman moves before the bullets hit said target.....
hence:
swat team-"he's dodging"
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Yesyes, but people won't see the difference, they'll continue to put up pics where bats does extreme stuff inconsistently.They don't realize that comic batas almost never gets hit, or injured, while guys much stronger than him get severely hurt by the same thing.
inaccurate examples...
you don't even read batman comics how would you even know what's consistant or inconsistant for him to do?
Originally posted by jinzin
the sonics move in an outward pattern and project forward...they are not going to hurt him...why would he make a eapon that hurts himself? 😕anyways....you bring up a decent point on spidey ripping off the armor...but let's look at it this way....if spiderman does have to come to a point where he's considering that as an option, than batman will have already been putting up one hell of a fight.....I really doubt spidey's going to last that long to come up with that sort of gameplan....I mean he doesn't have preordaned knowledge of batman so he would probably mistaken batman's durability as some sort of power rather than his suit...batman however (using his motherbox tech) could get such info on spidey....I think this is a huge advantage...I also don't think that spiderman could effectively web his ears before the sonics took effect on him....if he does however, he leaves himself open for one of any number of wide range attacks that batman could nail him with.....
and again...gas attacks have worked fine against spidey from people with less precision and far less training......spiderman has h2h and webs to work with...batman's simply got more versatility in the ranged weapons dept....not to say spidey's not versatile, just that batman's moreso...
spiderman's got the spidersense going for him sure, but how effective is a spidersense when up against an opponent who's four steps ahead of your every move anyways......
we've seen what happens when spiderman goes toe to toe with an expert stratigest/h2h fighter....spidey got humiliated....up against batman with far more weapons and resources....well............
This changes a few things. If Batman's sonic attacks move in an outward and forward motion, why can't Spiderman just avoid it then? If the sonics do nothing to Batman who is behind them, then they clearly have limits to where they affect things. All Spidey has to do is avoid the path of the sonic's blast. Given Spiderman's abilities, that's not very hard to do.
If Batman is always four steps ahead of Spiderman, wouldn't Spiderman then technically be five steps ahead of himself? Being one step ahead of Batman that is. No matter how many steps ahead Batman is, as long as Spidey has precognative abilities, he will always be ahead of Batman.
If Batman is always four steps ahead of Spiderman, wouldn't Spiderman then technically be five steps ahead of himself? Being one step ahead of Batman that is. No matter how many steps ahead Batman is, as long as Spidey has precognative abilities, he will always be ahead of Batman.
Because Spider-Man doesn't have pre-cog. He doesn't know what Batman's going to do. All he has is when Batman decides to throw a batarang, a little tingling feeling hits him at the base of his skull, telling him something is coming from this certain direction and how bad it's going to hurt if he gets hit a few nanoseconds before it comes. Then Spider-Man moves somewhere not in the direction that something is coming from and hopes his reflexes and speed are fast enough to get away. This is why he cannot dodge point-blank gunshots.
Spider-Man will not be ahead of Batman at all. His Spider-Sense will just make his reflexes all the more faster in reacting to dangerous stimuli. Nothing more.