Originally posted by jinzin
actually it's spidey who's given too much cred....his speed..is by stats only 12% faster than a peak human.....by feats it's even less considering how he couldn't even land a hit on cap....... so what else is their to go by....your delusions? **** that...
Please, bats is given too much cred on this thread.
Spiderman only 12% faster than a human, he's been described as a fricken blur.
Mr. wolverine can jump 50 feet, go by bs examples eh?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Please, ever fought someone 2x stronger than you, 3x, 4x, 5x, how about 30x, no.Rolling with the hit, if it was a good hit, bats would be still out anyway. Even if he survived.
you mean like he rolled with the punch from the super man, the super soldier, and wonder woman? please....
Originally posted by jinzin
40x by HIS ego's admission.....15 as a stated number.....reflexes are not the same as overall speed..his reflexes are faster because he's aware of when he needs to use them before something reashes him...moving speed is not the same however..
What are you arguing running speed?
He is superhumanly strong in his muscles, the stronger the muscles move, the faster he is.
I was going by 15x, and you are the one who goes by what a character says, when it supports you of course.
He attacks MUCH faster, he moves MUCH faster.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Please, bats is given too much cred on this thread.Spiderman only 12% faster than a human, he's been described as a fricken blur.
Mr. wolverine can jump 50 feet, go by bs examples eh?
wolverine's been described as a freaken blur....batman's been described as a blur.....the freakin black widow's been described as a blur...not much of an argument there.... I'm going by stats feats and whatever real evidence exists.....
Oh so now I can explain my stats like I have done eighty million times. You guys want stats?
Strength : Spiderman
Speed : Spiderman
Reflexes : Spiderman
Weapons : Bats
Intelligence : Bats
Energy projection : Neither
Durability : Spiderman
Fightin SKilz: Bats
Spidey is Bats physical superior. Batman has the advantage in fighting skilz and gadgets. However I believe Spidey can overcompensate for this.
Overall winner in my Opinion : Spiderman
Originally posted by jinzin
you mean like he rolled with the punch from the super man, the super soldier, and wonder woman? please....
Using extreme examples YET again, can you measure the strength of the damned punches?
You going to tell me that a person can roll from a 250,000,000 tonlifter punch?
In a small target area, do you know what proificiency is?
This is your only argument at its core, which is why this is still going on.
Some people love batman, but god.
Originally posted by jinzin
wolverine's been described as a freaken blur....batman's been described as a blur.....the freakin black widow's been described as a blur...not much of an argument there.... I'm going by stats feats and whatever real evidence exists.....
stat feats, please, no you're not. What are stat feats, because you sure don't reason within ability.
You once said wolverine can move faster than the eye can see, explain that one for me.
Originally posted by willRules
Oh so now I can explain my stats like I have done eighty million times. You guys want stats?Strength : Spiderman
Speed : Spiderman
Reflexes : Spiderman
Weapons : Bats
Intelligence : Bats
Energy projection : Neither
Durability : Spiderman
Fightin SKilz: BatsSpidey is Bats physical superior. Batman has the advantage in fighting skilz and gadgets. However I believe Spidey can overcompensate for this.
Overall winner in my Opinion : Spiderman
Strength
Speed
Reflexes
Vs a guy with a Machine gun
ITS AN EXAMPLE on how all that means nothing against certain people. Please don't cry to me and say Batman doesn't have a machine gun. AGAIN ITS AN EXAMPLe
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
What are you arguing running speed?He is superhumanly strong in his muscles, the stronger the muscles move, the faster he is.
I was going by 15x, and you are the one who goes by what a character says, when it supports you of course.
He attacks MUCH faster, he moves MUCH faster.
he reacts much faster..however his OVERALL speed is not that much faster than a peak humans...hence dd keeps up with him....hence wolverine's speed scares him....hence the white ninja totally stalemating spidey's spidersense....hence punisher keeping pace....hence the enforcers keeping pace....hence captain america humiliating him...hence doc doom pummling him in h2h.....hence his hard time with iron fist....shang chi.....macendale BEFORE his goblin powers....hence why he almost got served by shocker in a fist fight.....why x-23 hadher claws at his throat......why he got nailed by hammerhead.....why man mountain marko pummled him......the ninja.....why he almost got scewered by sabes before sabes was an established character.....
shall I continue?
he's not that much faster..
Originally posted by Batman Wins
Strength
Speed
ReflexesVs a guy with a Machine gun
ITS AN EXAMPLE on how all that means nothing against certain people. Please don't cry to me and say Batman doesn't have a machine gun. AGAIN ITS AN EXAMPLe
Exactly my point, the one who nullifies the other points is the most effective fighter.
Add precog, wall crawling, webslinging, and wit in there.
Because batman never just sits and lobs shit in his matches.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
stat feats, please, no you're not. What are stat feats, because you sure don't reason within ability.You once said wolverine can move faster than the eye can see, explain that one for me.
wolverine's ****ing fast....ever watch marital arts demos? imagine that...then heighten up the person's ability to peak human...that' really as much of an explaination as I need...
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Exactly my point, the one who nullifies the other points is the most effective fighter.Add precog, wall crawling, webslinging, and wit in there.
Because batman never just sits and lobs shit in his matches.
and spidey doesn't instantly cacoon and one punch anything that moves....so what...
Originally posted by jinzin
he reacts much faster..however his OVERALL speed is not that much faster than a peak humans...hence dd keeps up with him....hence wolverine's speed scares him....hence the white ninja totally stalemating spidey's spidersense....hence punisher keeping pace....hence the enforcers keeping pace....hence captain america humiliating him...hence doc doom pummling him in h2h.....hence his hard time with iron fist....shang chi.....macendale BEFORE his goblin powers....hence why he almost got served by shocker in a fist fight.....why x-23 hadher claws at his throat......why he got nailed by hammerhead.....why man mountain marko pummled him......the ninja.....why he almost got scewered by sabes before sabes was an established character.....shall I continue?
he's not that much faster..
Hence why thor couldn't touch him, nor firelord, nor titania couldn't get a hand on him.
You are talking about spiderman in low gear, when you know full well that spiderman seldomly kicks it into high gear.
Spiderman goes into matches UNTOUCHED, he's that fast, you are going by matches that are made to look interesting.
How many people have nailed flash, but not batman?