Originally posted by jinzinSo does this mean that Supes or WW punched Bats as fast AND hard as he or she could IN THE EXPOSED FACIAL AREA and Batman survived? I've got to see this. Does that honestly make sense to you Jinzin? Grundy to my knowledge doesn't have Superspeed so I'm actually willing to accept Bats rolling w/a grundypunch. I have no idea who steel wolf is. Any pics of these other occasions? I'm quite sure there was no indication of the others moving @ near lightspeeds either. Batman can't roll w/the fastest punches Supes, WW, or even Spidey have to offer. & I'm not going to let anybody pretend that WW & Supes don't seem to forget their Superspeed @ times. We all know they do. You guys keep this up and I'll get some of the Supes and WW fans here. I'm not a fan of either but saying that Bats can roll with their punches when they aren't holding back ANYTHING is a diss towards their powerset. DD himself wouldn't be able to react fast enough & he's got Super senses. I haven't seen you endorsing the "suit protects his chin" argument Jin. What do you think of it? I think it's tantamount to saying that a punch to the chin won't knock a boxer out because he's wearing a cup😆 Let it be known now that I have respect for the suit. That's why I've ALWAYS been talking about Spidey punching him in the one spot where he's exposed.
again demonized wonder woman
evil superman
mind controlled superman
solomon grundy
steel wolfnone of the characters had any indication of reserving speed and/or power for bruce's saftey..yet he compensated just fine.
Originally posted by jinzinI don't doubt that. That's why we don't have Spidey punching him in the suit. Spidey's punching him in the jaw as fast & hard as he can. His jaw's coming off. Naruto says "BELIEVE IT!!!!!!!"
look I'm not trying to get in a semantic debate about this crap again... this consider these facts brainchild[QUOTE=6512732]Originally posted by jinzin
[B]batman's suit HAS proven to be able to compensate for superhuman levels of punishments
batman HAS been hit by characters class 10 and up a number of times.. and he HAS been hit in the face... he however HAS been able to roll with those punches and NONE of them have killed batman or disabled him.[/B][/QUOTE]I'd like to see proof that these guys were @ least as fast as Spidey AND using their speed & sytrength to the fullest.
Originally posted by jinzinDid you see that pic of Spidey tagging DD before he could react? You know DD the guy who'd react faster than Batman any day of the week because of his SUPERHUMAN senses? I'll post it again if need be. It's in the Spidey respect thread. It's safe to say if DD can't avoid something that Batman couldn't either. Only difference is that Spidey will be using his full strength here. Batman = corpse or Bats = some guy trying to put his jaw back on. We know this
Spiderman CAN hit batman in the jaw but it's simply not guaranteed to put bruce down if bruce can react to the hit.
Originally posted by jinzinNah just riding against PIS. There is no logical reason why Bats could take a Maximum Spider-Punch to the exposed area and still continue to live or be @ the very least combat ready. I'm not sure about the others jinzin, but I know for a fact you're know this. We know this would never happen in print(& for good reason), but that wouldn't stop it from happening here. PIS is to be ignored here. Spidey's got superhuman durability, speed, reflexes and precog. If Supes or WW decided they were going to splatter his face w/one punch to the chin, they would easily do so. Batman who has no protection on his chin and no early warning and no superspeed or superdurability will somehow survive. Pfffffffffffft. PIS is one of the 7 deadly sins people. Wait a minute, it not PIS because Bats has some kind of protection on his chin. Just 'cause it looks like it's exposed doesn't mean there's not an invisible force protecting it @ all times. It makes perfect sense to me now 😮
An argument in favor of spiderman via chin-shot is an argument that's riding against the odds...
Originally posted by who?-kid
I haven't seen many good "arguments". The best "argument" was something like "he'll roll with the punches."If Batman should fight Spider-Man, he'll have a lot of rolling to do.
that certainly wasn't the best argument I've made concerning the fight.. it was just a recent argument I've made for spiderman punching him in the chin.. he will roll with the punch it's something he does quite often when being hit by super strong characters in the face.. it's not outside his capability to do.
I'm just saying that this list of characters I've named off hit batman.. and all of them did it without the intention of holding back.... batman survived the punches and such...
i think considering their power levels it's safe to assume he could do the same with spiderman.. to say he couldn't is ignoring past bat feats
as for dd not being able to react.. that goes against a multitude of other battles where he can.... spiderman even says in one of them that he can't get a clear hit on dd.. but that exmaple actually serves batman better.. lets assume he can't fully avoid the hit.. neither could dd.. and dd survived did he not/ he kept fighting did he not? he has less protection than bats does he not?
I don't endorse the suit protecting the chin argument because it's bullocks... the suit protects what it covers, it doesn't cover his chin..
i have no doubts that an unpulled spidey punch to an unflinching batman face would be extremely messy and fatal.. but i don't think spiderman is guaranteed that kind of punch in a fight betwen them....
Originally posted by jinzin
I'm just saying that this list of characters I've named off hit batman.. and all of them did it without the intention of holding back.... batman survived the punches and such...
i think considering their power levels it's safe to assume he could do the same with spiderman.. to say he couldn't is ignoring past bat featsas for dd not being able to react.. that goes against a multitude of other battles where he can.... spiderman even says in one of them that he can't get a clear hit on dd.. but that exmaple actually serves batman better.. lets assume he can't fully avoid the hit.. neither could dd.. and dd survived did he not/ he kept fighting did he not? he has less protection than bats does he not?
I don't endorse the suit protecting the chin argument because it's bullocks... the suit protects what it covers, it doesn't cover his chin..
i have no doubts that an unpulled spidey punch to an unflinching batman face would be extremely messy and fatal.. but i don't think spiderman is guaranteed that kind of punch in a fight betwen them....
the part were u said hows bats gonna dodge wat dd couldent