Spiderman wins sure Batman is smarter and has more money but Peter is no idiot hes proven that time and time again by outsmarting enemies as smart as Doc Ock. Spiderman is also stronger, faster and more agile. If they switched place Batman would have a hard time defeating most of Spider-Mans enemies but Spider-Man would beat most of Batmans without even trying. So Spider-Man wins.
Originally posted by Juntai
Depends on if we're using the "Batman is just human" train of thought, or if we're going by comic showings. Because if we go by the latter, Spiderman certainly isn't out of his league.
Batman is a human, when in his history did he undergo some sort of power augmentation? Comics are one thing, and are often filled with PIS to make the good guy shine, but in a forum battle Spiderman trashes him in less than a minutes time.
Originally posted by Warlord
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Exactly,and then batman gets turned into a wrecking ball, while his head makes contact with the nearest wall.
Originally posted by StoicNo, it's abilities and skills he's learned in the comics that allow to do the things he does in the comics, which aren't very realistic to begin with. Robin in an issue of Nightwing a while back, was hanging out training with Dick, while planted on one hand upside down, legs up in the air, used his free hand karate chopped a tree trunk sized log in half. Completely impossible by human standards, particularly for an underweight teenager. PIS on the Logs part?
Batman is a human, when in his history did he undergo some sort of power augmentation? Comics are one thing, and are often filled with PIS to make the good guy shine, but in a forum battle Spiderman trashes him in less than a minutes time.Exactly,and then batman gets turned into a wrecking ball, while his head makes contact with the nearest wall.
Comic characters and feats are what we debate here, not what we think they should be, but how they actually perform. To suggest these are different leagues of characters is just foolish.
What Stoic probably means- Batman is still human, a comicbook one but still human. Nobody says that him chopping trees dodging bullets etc is PIS, its not, trained comicbook humans can do that. But him taking down opponents that are both faster, stronger and have better reflexes than him (like Spider-man) in h2h fight often happens because that's what the plot requires. Spider-man still is superior than Bats physically in pretty much every way and logically should win this.
Originally posted by SamZEDStill faster in what way? Landspeed?
What Stoic probably means- Batman is still human, a comicbook one but still human. Nobody says that him chopping trees dodging bullets etc is PIS, its not, trained comicbook humans can do that. But him taking down opponents that are both faster, stronger and have better reflexes than him (like Spider-man) in h2h fight often happens because that's what the plot requires. Spider-man still is superior than Bats physically in pretty much every way and logically should win this.
I can show you Batman disarming a squad of people and fleeing across rooftops, while they still haven't even realized they've lost their weapons yet, hands out as if they're still holding them. Or dodging sniper fire after it's been shot, with his back turned.
You mean afterimages and flipping?
Striking power? Batman can dent a tempered steel beam like that the sort would hold up buildings with a kick. He might not have actual super-strength, but many characters have commented that he still hits like it.
Ninja skills, buddy.
I'm not even saying he'll win, or even majority or anything.
But this idea that everyone paints this portait that 'he's just a human' limitations into their head, they forget that his character is much beyond that.
And truth be told, if they switched Rogue galleries, Batman would have an easier time with much more blantantly straightforward enemies. Although more powerful, he'd outsmart them and take them down. And probably be bored doing it with his annoyed sound, "-HH-"
And unless peter parker could instantly off the top of his head come up with who the third cousin of Ramses the 3rd was, then link the name of that to a 18th century poem, and derive from the third verse of the poem into a clue for a street address[as if were as plain as common sense] where a bomb will explode a 8 square blocks of city space . . it'd be a long day for Parker.
Originally posted by Juntai
Still faster in what way? Landspeed?I can show you Batman disarming a squad of people and fleeing across rooftops, while they still haven't even realized they've lost their weapons yet, hands out as if they're still holding them. Or dodging sniper fire after it's been shot, with his back turned.
You mean afterimages and flipping?
Striking power? Batman can dent a tempered steel beam like that the sort would hold up buildings with a kick. He might not have actual super-strength, but many characters have commented that he still hits like it.
Ninja skills, buddy.
I'm not even saying he'll win, or even majority or anything.
But this idea that everyone paints this portait that 'he's just a human' limitations into their head, they forget that his character is much beyond that.
The questions here is... are you being argumentative or contrary? Do you truly believe that Batman would stay conscious after Spiderman launched a multiple hit assault on him? Spiderman can throw cars, lift buses, is far more agile, and because of his strength he has far faster burst speeds than Batman.
Logic would dictate that by the time Batman threw a Batbomb, or Batarang, Spidey would be out of reach... just look at the Green Goblin who is actually augmented.
Here's a kicker; if you take into consideration that Spiderman weighs less than Batman, while also being leagues stronger. How much faster would he be able to move compared to Batman given this ratio? Foolish you say? Think about it. Plus he's a low level precognitive... c'mon. One punch away form a coma is what batman would be if he fought a guy like Spiderman.
Originally posted by JuntaiYou misunderstood us, nobody is saying he's "real-life" human limited by real world logic, but he IS a human, a comicbook but still human. I can name a dozen comicbook humans who can do the things you've listed and other feats Batman couldnt do but they're still humans by comicbook standarts and are levels below Spider-man.
Still faster in what way? Landspeed?I can show you Batman disarming a squad of people and fleeing across rooftops, while they still haven't even realized they've lost their weapons yet, hands out as if they're still holding them. Or dodging sniper fire after it's been shot, with his back turned.
You mean afterimages and flipping?
Striking power? Batman can dent a tempered steel beam like that the sort would hold up buildings with a kick. He might not have actual super-strength, but many characters have commented that he still hits like it.
Ninja skills, buddy.
I'm not even saying he'll win, or even majority or anything.
But this idea that everyone paints this portait that 'he's just a human' limitations into their head, they forget that his character is much beyond that.
Originally posted by JuntaiPretty sure he could. Sure Batman is smarter and all but Parker is a genuis as well, a comicbook genius that is, there's a difference. He's solved a scientific task faster than Reed once. Twice even. Tricked Doom, had Pym crying and complaining that Parker is "so much smarter" than him etc
And truth be told, if they switched Rogue galleries, Batman would have an easier time with much more blantantly straightforward enemies. Although more powerful, he'd outsmart them and take them down.And unless peter parker could instantly off the top of his head come up with who the third cousin of Ramses the 3rd was, then link the name of that to a 18th century poem, and derive from the third verse of the poem into a clue for a street address[as if were as plain as common sense] where a bomb will explode a 8 square blocks of city space . . it'd be a long day for Parker.
But yeah Bats would do just fine against most of Pete's rogue gallery save some.
Originally posted by tkitna
I cannot believe people are actually pulling for Batman in this thread. I mean he'd only be fighting somebody who's at least 25 times stronger than him, has superhuman speed and reflexes, and a sixth sense that tells him when things are going to happen.I mean come on,,,sheesh.
Agreed. Batman and other comic book peak humans are borderline superhuman by our real world standards. Bruce Timm's Batman for instance is superhuman but we're comparing him to a bonafide superhuman with simply superior stats, (strength, speed, agility, durablity) and on top of all that he has versatile projectile capabilities and precognition.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I hate to be the one to point this out, but doesn't Batman carry stuff like sonics and gas that Spidey can't really defend against? I know Bat's would lose if it went to strait h2h, but I don't know why it would since "fighting smart" is one of Batman's things...
Yes, thats why I say Bats has small chance and with Parker underestimating him, that increases.
Originally posted by The Nuul
Yes, thats why I say Bats has small chance and with Parker underestimating him, that increases.
Originally posted by darthgooberBecause most likely SM would just web him up and hit not givving him the chance to use it. Its in Spider-man's character to do that.
But how would it be a small chance? I mean if Batman knows he's going up against someone who's a super strong and fast as all get out don't you think he's going to bust out the gear right out of the gate?
Originally posted by darthgooberhttp://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batcowlemp.jpg
I hate to be the one to point this out, but doesn't Batman carry stuff like sonics and gas that Spidey can't really defend against? I know Bat's would lose if it went to strait h2h, but I don't know why it would since "fighting smart" is one of Batman's things...
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Although I wouldn't argue the frequency he'd do something like that, it is in his arsenal, Dick and Tim carry them too and have used them.
Originally posted by SamZED
Because most likely SM would just web him up and hit not givving him the chance to use it. Its in Spider-man's character to do that.
