Originally posted by StrawNilla"PIS?CIS"? what is that
No.....you're overpowering DareDevil.It's been plainly documented in comics and multiple bios alike that Spidey can lift/press 10 tons and (thanks to his not too recent upgrade) more.
Now where in comics or multiple bios, ANYWHERE in comics or multiple bios does it say that DD could take that kind of force?
DD takes punches from Spidey because the writers HAVE to have DD take those punches if they still want around. It's called PIS/CIS.
Originally posted by jinzin
"Now where in comics or multiple bios, ANYWHERE in comics or multiple bios does it say that DD could take that kind of force"daredevil 163 dd takes two hulk swatts and survives.....is isn't looking so hot by the end of it...but he survives...
Spidey beat Firelord just by hitting him a couple of times before he fell, does that mean he's actually strong enough to do so?
He also found the Captain Universe powers when he was backtracked on his way to the Daily Bugle, does that mean he could do so again?
He also had Thanos arrested, now tell me you don't think he could do that again....
Originally posted by StrawNilla
That's never been documented for fact. I mean, it's not like Marvel wants DD gone so they're not just going to kill him off because he's fighting someone hundreds to potentially thousands of times stronger than he is.
No, They want spiderman to hit DD and DD to survive. It's marvel's character. So obviously yuo don't understand spiderman properly.
Originally posted by StrawNilla🙄
Again, are you under the assumption that you have to be God to be able to handle the likes of DD?
Wow! Your reading skills are unsupassed! [/sarcasm]
It's a logical fallacy to attack the example in order to discard the point.
Common sense can tell you that. Spider sense has you ignore it. 💃
"That's never been documented for fact. I mean, it's not like Marvel wants DD gone so they're not just going to kill him off because he's fighting someone hundreds to potentially thousands of times stronger than he is."
WHAT?!?!?!?!??! you have got to be kidding...this is why arguing with you is so stupid on my part......HE WAS HIT TWICE BY HULK......THAT'S A ****ING FACT....it was in the comic's how is it not documented? besides you asked for ANYWHERE in bios or comics...I gave you two examples.....you're pathetic man......pfffffffft rediculous.....
"Spidey beat Firelord just by hitting him a couple of times before he fell, does that mean he's actually strong enough to do so?"
you obviously haven't read the comic....a building fell on firelord...then he was caught in an explosion that flattened a city block...then spiderman beat up what was left with a long barrage of punches....A TON OF THEM! there's even a slight reference that states that spidey didn't know how long he was pounding away at firlord....
"He also found the Captain Universe powers when he was backtracked on his way to the Daily Bugle, does that mean he could do so again?
He also had Thanos arrested, now tell me you don't think he could do that again...."
both are totally circumstantial and totally irrelivant to the fight at hand...
Originally posted by Creshosk
No, They want spiderman to hit DD and DD to survive. It's marvel's character. So obviously yuo don't understand spiderman properly.
Unless Spidey was holding back in all of their fights, DD surviving Spidey's attacks is just Marvel saying that they don't want DD gone. It's that simple.
And yes I understand that Spidey likes to hold back alot against human characters, it's a part of his moral values, but you and your pal jinzin keep insisting that Spidey couldn't KO Batman if he wanted to or felt the need. Spidey would've wasted both DD and Cap if Spidey were written to NOT hold back and Marvel was okay with writing what would actually happen in such an occurance.
Originally posted by StrawNillaAnd he wasn't holding back.
What are you talking about?Unless Spidey was holding back in all of their fights, DD surviving Spidey's attacks is just Marvel saying that they don't want DD gone. It's that simple.
Whay not they kill and bring back characters all the time? Why not kill DD?
"Anything that doesn't depect spidey as a god is carap writing."
What would you call writing that doesn't follow Spidermans official powers?
Nobody is asking Spiderman to be a God. People are just asking that writers acknowlegde that one of Spiderman's powers are superhuman strength.
Lifting 10 tons is nothing godlike in the world of comics. But it's enough to put any human at peak human levels out.
How come writers write Batman exceeding all his natural abilities and all reason with no super human help whatsoever? Then how come it is stated fact that Spiderman can bend steel with punches and lift 10 tons but a lot of the time he doesn't get written that way?
Let's just end the debate like this; Comic books are 95% the time of a weaker hero overcoming stronger odds. You don't think Spiderman or Batman will ever punk a Hulk or Juggernaut on paper but they find a way to do so. You can make up any reason for one of these guys beating the other.
So all we can go by on this forum is who would win on paper. Or who is supposed to, but not necessarily will, win the fight before it starts.(Sorry, my sports statistics side talking. A guy who bats .300 doesn't always his a home run.)
If we go by what's on paper and remove all intangibles before a regular pick up and street fight starts, Spiderman is the heavy, heavy favorite.
Now if you start making up all kinds of situations as to why Batman could win, you can but it's a moot point. This thread is two guys battling everyone else for over a thousand posts already.
Spiderman should win this fight hands down based on his natural powers, strength, and fighting capability.
Does that mean he will win it every time? No. Nobody would read Batman if he always lost to the real super heroes so writers have to add all kinds of things to his resume to keep up.
Originally posted by Creshosk
🙄Wow! Your reading skills are unsupassed! [/sarcasm]
It's a logical fallacy to attack the example in order to discard the point.
Common sense can tell you that. Spider sense has you ignore it. 💃
You're saying that you're under the impression that, according to me, anything depicting Spidey as less than God is crap writing.
I'll ask you again.....do you have to be a God in order to defeat DD now? Because although DD has admitted time and time again that under normal circumstances (circumstances other than the ones Spidey had to deal with that left him at a handicap) he wouldn't stand a chance against Spidey has still not been able to pull what's acceptable enough for you to call a win.
The only explanations to DD winning according to me, other Spidey supporters, and Marvel (seeing as how they were the ones who created these handicaps) are the circumstances Spidey was fighting in during these fights, his morals that tend to have him pulling his pucnhes and holding back alot, and PIS/CIS. You deny this so this leaves me under the impression that you think that Spidey would have to be God in order to defeat DD.
You really forget that Batman isn't peak.....he's beyond human in almost every aspect.
His immense amount of training and will power have allowed him to gain ....basically.."superpowers".
He can build up chi, he can cast fear into others mind, he can detect weak points in a humans body, so on and so forth.
In all truth, he really is more than human, so Batman beating Spiderman isn't hard to believe.
Originally posted by 8bitChrisFanboyism. 😄
"Anything that doesn't depect spidey as a god is carap writing."What would you call writing that doesn't follow Spidermans official powers?
Originally posted by 8bitChrisThat must mean that "peak humans" can take "superhuman" punches.
Nobody is asking Spiderman to be a God. People are just asking that writers acknowlegde that one of Spiderman's powers are superhuman strength.
Originally posted by 8bitChrisObviously not. 🙂
Lifting 10 tons is nothing godlike in the world of comics. But it's enough to put any human at peak human levels out.
Originally posted by 8bitChrisIguess peak humans can take superhuman shots. Since it happens ALL the time.
How come writers write Batman exceeding all his natural abilities and all reason with no super human help whatsoever? Then how come it is stated fact that Spiderman can bend steel with punches and lift 10 tons but a lot of the time he doesn't get written that way?
Originally posted by 8bitChrisThen Batman has a 95% chance of beating spiderman. Don't you think? 🙂
Let's just end the debate like this; Comic books are 95% the time of a weaker hero overcoming stronger odds. You don't think Spiderman or Batman will ever punk a Hulk or Juggernaut on paper but they find a way to do so. You can make up any reason for one of these guys beating the other.
Originally posted by 8bitChris
So all we can go by on this forum is who would win on paper. Or who is supposed to, but not necessarily will, win the fight before it starts.(Sorry, my sports statistics side talking. A guy who bats .300 doesn't always his a home run.)
Relying on statistics alone, Spiderman should be dead, He's been hit by the shockers power before right? The Shocker can punch through brick walls right? Spiderman would be fried by the electricity strong enough to Punch through solid brick walls.
Originally posted by 8bitChrisBecause these statrs don't factor in everything, just the points that the individual side wants to be canon and not PIS/CIS. 🙂
If we go by what's on paper and remove all intangibles before a regular pick up and street fight starts, Spiderman is the heavy, heavy favorite.
Originally posted by 8bitChrisAnd a majority of the posts contain no viable reasons for either side to win more than a 50% because neither side takes into account fully what the other character is.
Now if you start making up all kinds of situations as to why Batman could win, you can but it's a moot point. This thread is two guys battling everyone else for over a thousand posts already.
Originally posted by 8bitChrisAnd ignoring Batman's stats, abilities, strategies etc.
Spiderman should win this fight hands down based on his natural powers, strength, and fighting capability.
Originally posted by 8bitChrisOh but One spiderman punch can knowck any peak human out, so obviously batman should get stomped by Bane's enhancing juice. . .
Does that mean he will win it every time? No. Nobody would read Batman if he always lost to the real super heroes so writers have to add all kinds of things to his resume to keep up.
"You really forget that Batman isn't peak.....he's beyond human in almost every aspect.
His immense amount of training and will power have allowed him to gain ....basically.."superpowers".
He can build up chi, he can cast fear into others mind, he can detect weak points in a humans body, so on and so forth.
In all truth, he really is more than human, so Batman beating Spiderman isn't hard to believe."
it's not that they forgot.....just neglected.....like when they neglected the fact that deathstroke has more than enough to take spidey down....