"You really forget that Batman isn't peak.....he's beyond human in almost every aspect."
If you have 100% peak human abilities how do you go beyond that?
If you want to give Batman super human powers just write them in for him. Make him roll around in toxic waste or something.
But exceeding 100% peak human physical form defeats the whole idea of "peak" anything. It's not "peak" if you can pass it.
If Batman's not human, then they should write it that way in the comics.
Ok, but before going into the a street fight. Based on strength, fighting ability, and powers...who is the underdog in this fight?
spidey has bats beat on strength and powers
batman takes fighting ability....but you're still neglecting that batman has so many more advantages that don't rely in physical limits at all....
Originally posted by StrawNillaNo you don't have to be, but obviously Marvel has DD being able to take a spider punch. I'm using Marvel's facts. You're using Fanboyism.
You're saying that you're under the impression that, according to me, anything depicting Spidey as less than God is crap writing.[quote]That's because that's the impression you're giving off. You don't accept what marvel does with their character. Anything you don't liek you say is crap writing. Anything you like is canon.
Spidersense, not common sense.
[QUOTE=3901227]Originally posted by StrawNilla
I'll ask you again.....do you have to be a God in order to defeat DD now? Because although DD has admitted time and time again that under normal circumstances (circumstances other than the ones Spidey had to deal with that left him at a handicap) he wouldn't stand a chance against Spidey has still not been able to pull what's acceptable enough for you to call a win.
"I don't like it so it didn't happen".
The only explanations to DD winning according to me, other Spidey
Originally posted by StrawNillaThere you go with that Crap writing stint again.
supporters, and Marvel (seeing as how they were the ones who created these handicaps) are the circumstances Spidey was fighting in during these fights, his morals that tend to have him pulling his pucnhes and holding back alot, and PIS/CIS. You deny this so this leaves me under the impression that you think that Spidey would have to be God in order to defeat DD.
"I didn't like it so it didn't happen."
This isn't about DD this is about your spidey fanboyism. DD was an example of someone taking a full spidey punch and surviving.
But you don't like it because it weakens your arguments that involve a spiderman powered up higher than what Marvel has him as.
Originally posted by jinzin
"That's never been documented for fact. I mean, it's not like Marvel wants DD gone so they're not just going to kill him off because he's fighting someone hundreds to potentially thousands of times stronger than he is."WHAT?!?!?!?!??! you have got to be kidding...this is why arguing with you is so stupid on my part......HE WAS HIT TWICE BY HULK......THAT'S A ****ING FACT....it was in the comic's how is it not documented? besides you asked for ANYWHERE in bios or comics...I gave you two examples.....you're pathetic man......pfffffffft rediculous.....
"Spidey beat Firelord just by hitting him a couple of times before he fell, does that mean he's actually strong enough to do so?"
you obviously haven't read the comic....a building fell on firelord...then he was caught in an explosion that flattened a city block...then spiderman beat up what was left with a long barrage of punches....A TON OF THEM! there's even a slight reference that states that spidey didn't know how long he was pounding away at firlord....
"He also found the Captain Universe powers when he was backtracked on his way to the Daily Bugle, does that mean he could do so again?
He also had Thanos arrested, now tell me you don't think he could do that again...."both are totally circumstantial and totally irrelivant to the fight at hand...
And now you're defending the SVFL argument? Since when does a building collapsing on a Herald of Galactus or a city-leveling exploding with a Herald of Galactus in the middle of it come close to stopping a Harold of Galactus? I don't care if Spidey lands a ton of punches on Firelord fact of the matter is it shouldn't have helped in Spidey winning the fight, it shouldn't have helped period.
And you're saying that PIS/CIS examples of Spidey finding the Captain Universe powers and having Thanos arrested are irrelevant but no one can tell you that examples of DD taking swats from Hulk or attacks from Spidey are examples of PIS/CIS or even that they're irrelevant to the subject at hand, yeah, sure.....if you can't handle proof of PIS/CIS examples being irrelevant then that's fine, but c'mon, don't lecture me about irrelevance! You've brought irrelevant subjects to the thread more than your fair share of times.....
Originally posted by 8bitChrisI'm guessing that this chi channeling thing that they have in the Batbooks would act as a part of magic. That might explain his enhanced abilities. . . I mean how many humans do you know that can punch through three foot trees?
"You really forget that Batman isn't peak.....he's beyond human in almost every aspect."If you have 100% peak human abilities how do you go beyond that?
If you want to give Batman super human powers just write them in for him. Make him roll around in toxic waste or something.
But exceeding 100% peak human physical form defeats the whole idea of "peak" anything. It's not "peak" if you can pass it.
If Batman's not human, then they should write it that way in the comics.
Originally posted by StrawNilla
You're pathetic if you think that reciting two other examples of PIS/CIS is going to act as an explanation for more examples of PIS/CIS. Nothing in any comic says that DD can do anything redicoulously beyond peak human feats or a bit more such as KO'ing Spidey in twelve hits or taking swats from the Hulk and surving. Neglect that all you'd like, it's still true.And now you're defending the SVFL argument? Since when does a building collapsing on a Herald of Galactus or a city-leveling exploding with a Herald of Galactus in the middle of it come close to stopping a Harold of Galactus? I don't care if Spidey lands a ton of punches on Firelord fact of the matter is it shouldn't have helped in Spidey winning the fight, it shouldn't have helped period.
And you're saying that PIS/CIS examples of Spidey finding the Captain Universe powers and having Thanos arrested are irrelevant but no one can tell you that examples of DD taking swats from Hulk or attacks from Spidey are examples of PIS/CIS or even that they're irrelevant to the subject at hand, yeah, sure.....if you can't handle proof of PIS/CIS examples being irrelevant then that's fine, but c'mon, don't lecture me about irrelevance! You've brought irrelevant subjects to the thread more than your fair share of times.....
Doesn't matter if it happened in the comics then eh? If you don't like it it's PIS/CIS.
But PIS/CIS or not it happened.
You can't just use "PIS/CIS" to brush something off.
Originally posted by Creshosk
No you don't have to be, but obviously Marvel has DD being able to take a spider punch. I'm using Marvel's facts. You're using Fanboyism."I don't like it so it didn't happen".
The only explanations to DD winning according to me, other Spidey There you go with that Crap writing stint again.
"I didn't like it so it didn't happen."
This isn't about DD this is about your spidey fanboyism. DD was an example of someone taking a full spidey punch and surviving.
But you don't like it because it weakens your arguments that involve a spiderman powered up higher than what Marvel has him as.
That's all I have to say as far as that goes, call me a fanboy, take it or leave it. Whatever floats your boat.
"You're pathetic if you think that reciting two other examples of PIS/CIS is going to act as an explanation for more examples of PIS/CIS. Nothing in any comic says that DD can do anything redicoulously beyond peak human feats or a bit more such as KO'ing Spidey in twelve hits or taking swats from the Hulk and surving. Neglect that all you'd like, it's still true."
in your head maybe......I really don't understand your logic (if you can call it that) you ask for any example to support my thesis ANY....now because you don't like it.....you discard it....😂 retarded....
"And now you're defending the SVFL argument? Since when does a building collapsing on a Herald of Galactus or a city-leveling exploding with a Herald of Galactus in the middle of it come close to stopping a Harold of Galactus? I don't care if Spidey lands a ton of punches on Firelord fact of the matter is it shouldn't have helped in Spidey winning the fight, it shouldn't have helped period. "
herald of galactus or not...getting thousands of tons dropped on you immediately followed by an emmense explosion...if going to **** YOU UP...PERIOD....
"And you're saying that PIS/CIS examples of Spidey finding the Captain Universe powers and having Thanos arrested"
ummm captain universe powers find you....unless that's too hard of a concept to get...just shows me you know less and les of what you're talking about every time you post....
"but no one can tell you that examples of DD taking swats from Hulk or attacks from Spidey are examples of PIS/CIS or even that they're irrelevant to the subject at hand"
it's not irrelevent...it pretains to "peak human" durability as shown in comic books...which was why it was brought up in the first place......
Originally posted by Creshosk
Doesn't matter if it happened in the comics then eh? If you don't like it it's PIS/CIS.But PIS/CIS or not it happened.
You can't just use "PIS/CIS" to brush something off.
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Originally posted by 8bitChris
"Anything that doesn't depect spidey as a god is carap writing."
"What would you call writing that doesn't follow Spidermans official powers?
Fanboyism."
Err...uh...Ok you'll have to explain that one to me. Because see, here I thought it would be written incorrectly if they weren't using Spiderman's official powers.
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Originally posted by 8bitChris
Nobody is asking Spiderman to be a God. People are just asking that writers acknowlegde that one of Spiderman's powers are superhuman strength.
"That must mean that "peak humans" can take "superhuman" punches."
Err...what? People asking that writers acknowledge that one of SPiderman's powers is super human strength "must mean that "peak humans" can take "super human" punches? Sorry...i'm not following.
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Originally posted by 8bitChris
Lifting 10 tons is nothing godlike in the world of comics. But it's enough to put any human at peak human levels out.
"Obviously not."
How much force do you think it would take to knock a peak human out? I'm just curious.
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Originally posted by 8bitChris
How come writers write Batman exceeding all his natural abilities and all reason with no super human help whatsoever? Then how come it is stated fact that Spiderman can bend steel with punches and lift 10 tons but a lot of the time he doesn't get written that way?
"Iguess peak humans can take superhuman shots. Since it happens ALL the time."
How many human based super heroes are there? In "most" of my comics it's a bunch of guys with super powers hitting other guys with super powers.
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Originally posted by 8bitChris
Let's just end the debate like this; Comic books are 95% the time of a weaker hero overcoming stronger odds. You don't think Spiderman or Batman will ever punk a Hulk or Juggernaut on paper but they find a way to do so. You can make up any reason for one of these guys beating the other.
Then Batman has a 95% chance of beating spiderman. Don't you think?
Yes, if it's a Batman comic the odds are heavily in Batman's favor. That's what I like to call a "No Duh." But who should win? Who is the underdog? Well Spiderman should win and Batman is the underdog.
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Originally posted by 8bitChris
So all we can go by on this forum is who would win on paper. Or who is supposed to, but not necessarily will, win the fight before it starts.(Sorry, my sports statistics side talking. A guy who bats .300 doesn't always his a home run.)
Relying on statistics alone, Spiderman should be dead, He's been hit by the shockers power before right? The Shocker can punch through brick walls right? Spiderman would be fried by the electricity strong enough to Punch through solid brick walls.
Spiderman is super human and super durable. He can take things that normal humans can't. Spiderman could knock through a brick wall with his pinky. So i'm sorry if i'm not impressed with the force of the Shocker's blast.
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Originally posted by 8bitChris
If we go by what's on paper and remove all intangibles before a regular pick up and street fight starts, Spiderman is the heavy, heavy favorite.
Because these statrs don't factor in everything, just the points that the individual side wants to be canon and not PIS/CIS.
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Originally posted by 8bitChris
Now if you start making up all kinds of situations as to why Batman could win, you can but it's a moot point. This thread is two guys battling everyone else for over a thousand posts already.
"And a majority of the posts contain no viable reasons for either side to win more than a 50% because neither side takes into account fully what the other character is."
The writers never do either.
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Originally posted by 8bitChris
Spiderman should win this fight hands down based on his natural powers, strength, and fighting capability.
And ignoring Batman's stats, abilities, strategies etc."
Spiderman surpasses Batman in all physical stats. He has as much experience as Bat. Batman might get the edge in intelligence. But there is no way to prove who is superior in combat strategy.
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Originally posted by 8bitChris
Does that mean he will win it every time? No. Nobody would read Batman if he always lost to the real super heroes so writers have to add all kinds of things to his resume to keep up.
"Oh but One spiderman punch can knowck any peak human out, so obviously batman should get stomped by Bane's enhancing juice. . ."
Well i'd say that he should get stomped by Bane himself. I don't know what effect the juice would have on Batman.
Originally posted by jinzin
"Did I ever say that DD surviving an unpulled punch from Spidey never happened? No. I said that that's not fact,"creshosk.....if you can understand his ummmmmmmm "logic" 😕 better than me...please help explain it to me....
When I said that that "happened" I meant that it was written to happen to add to the stroyline, that doesn't necessarily make it fact in the least.
Originally posted by StrawNillaYeah, I tend to try and ignore bad or illogic. 🙂
Youy're neglecting the meaning of my posts and just why the terms PIS/CIS exist, quite like what you do with all mine and other's arguments that are pro-Spidey.
Try using common sense rather than Spider sense.
You use the term Pis/cis to say "Oh that didn't happen"
And only things YOU don't like are PIS/CIS in YOUR opinion.
As good and bad are relative. Someone might see something as good writing, another as bad.
Just as one person could see themselves as good, but other people see them as being bad.
PIS/CIS is a relative term. 🙂
Originally posted by StrawNillaDo you even know what a fact is? 🙂
You probably would need help getting a better understanding of it if you didn't read the whole post.When I said that that "happened" I meant that it was written to happen to add to the stroyline, that doesn't necessarily make it fact in the least.
It's a rehtorical question as you seem to use the term innacurately.
"You probably would need help getting a better understanding of it if you didn't read the whole post.
When I said that that "happened" I meant that it was written to happen to add to the stroyline, that doesn't necessarily make it fact in the least"
ohhhh I read the rest of the post...it doesn't make that statement any more sensical...