Batman vs Spiderman

"Maybe you just don't get why the terms PIS/CIS exist at all and are instead lead to believe that DD can take attacks that should kill them but won't because they have a certain point of significance, of course, you don't know this so instead you assume that they should naturally be able to do this despite their being human."

ummm I get why they exist...I just don't agree with their constant use in vs. debates....we should go off of freaking feats....cause like cersh said....PIS point of view is relative... If you can't find good enough reasons for why spiderman should win against batman while I'm constantly bringing actual incidents to the table....then you're losing....discarding comics for pis isn't logical.......if we were to use pis on everything...spidey would have become infected from a radioactive spider bite and died....even if he did get his powers the density of his bones shouldn't be any more than they already were...therefor his legs would break doing half the stunts he tries.....PIS is relative...it's you that doesn't get it...

"Stas do matter, but they have nothing to do with actual fighting unless there completely different like Hulk VS green goblin without his glider."
xactly...

My point being is, Stats say what the hero is capable of, there not talking in relativity... tivity? however you spell that... towards another Hero.

Like Joker may have a 0 in strength, but if he has kryptonite and hes against superman his strength may be 20.

I dunno... I dunno, I cant really explain it.

Originally posted by jinzin
"Maybe you just don't get why the terms PIS/CIS exist at all and are instead lead to believe that DD can take attacks that should kill them but won't because they have a certain point of significance, of course, you don't know this so instead you assume that they should naturally be able to do this despite their being human."

ummm I get why they exist...I just don't agree with their constant use in vs. debates....we should go off of freaking feats....cause like cersh said....PIS point of view is relative... If you can't find good enough reasons for why spiderman should win against batman while I'm constantly bringing actual incidents to the table....then you're losing....discarding comics for pis isn't logical.......if we were to use pis on everything...spidey would have become infected from a radioactive spider bite and died....even if he did get his powers the density of his bones shouldn't be any more than they already were...therefor his legs would break doing half the stunts he tries.....PIS is relative...it's you that doesn't get it...

In the marvel universe a slight alteration in DNA results in super powers. . in the real world all we get is freaking cancer. . .

Bruce banner should be dead, Peter parker should have serious complications.

All of the X-Men should have like downs syndrome or some other birth defect.

The fantastic four. . . probably all dead as well. Radiation's a *****.

"Daredevil has super human powers. Cap'n American has super human strength and powers. "

ummm captain america has the peakest of peak human strength...not super strength....just for your info...and DD's senses nor caps serum make them more durable thatn peak humans....what batman is....which is the point...and cap has no powers...

Originally posted by jinzin
"Daredevil has super human powers. Cap'n American has super human strength and powers. "

ummm captain america has the peakest of peak human strength...not super strength....just for your info...and DD's senses nor caps serum make them more durable thatn peak humans....what batman is....which is the point...and cap has no powers...

Cap'n. . . er well. . technically that was a super soldier serum . . so he might actually be okay. . . And batman. . . well again he didn't recieve his powers from a bizzare source either. . .

It's interesting to note which characters origin's are technically not bad logically. . .

*shakes head* Batman even in DC isn't the best there is. He is not peak human, he is not super human. He is human. Nothing more nothing less.

He cannot beat Superman, he cannot take down the whole JLA at once, he cannot take on Spider-Man in a non-prep fight, he cannont suddenly know after seeing Spider-Man dodge things that he has some kind of precog sense, he cannot take on Slade (But he is a better fighter. Slade admitted Bruce was a better fighter but he had the strength, stamina, and speed advantage so he won) he cannon beat Captain America, he cannot beat the X-men all by himself, he cannot beat the Hulk.

Spidey has almost every advantage in this fight. The only advantage that goes to Bruce is smarts, and that isn't a big advantage. Just cause Batman can kick through cement means nothing. Steel > Cement or Tree. Batman has people a lot more agile then he is that is human. Spidey puts them all to shame. Batman has his gadgets but he doesn't know how strong Spidey is. You keep saying Spidey won't know anything about Batman yet you never bother to say that Batman also know nothing about Spidey. And that's a lot worse for Batman then it is Spidey. Batman isn't going to start out on the offensive but defensive. And not much he can do defensively against Spidey. Spidey is faster, stronger, more agile, and can easily web him up. Batman isn't going to start throwing Smoke bomb, flash, and any other kind of bomb all at once to screw up the spider sense cause he has no idea about it.

Originally posted by Kento
Batman isn't going to start throwing Smoke bomb, flash, and any other kind of bomb all at once to screw up the spider sense cause he has no idea about it.

Have you ever read a Batman comic?

He'd throw it because iot is . . say it with me. . "An area effect attack" Those are HARDER to dodge. Than a simple projectile.

"He cannot beat Superman, he cannot take down the whole JLA at once'

he has....and the jla he almost did....it was semi an accident...but nonetheless...

"Spidey has almost every advantage in this fight. The only advantage that goes to Bruce is smarts, and that isn't a big advantage. Just cause Batman can kick through cement means nothing. Steel > Cement or Tree. Batman has people a lot more agile then he is that is human. Spidey puts them all to shame. Batman has his gadgets but he doesn't know how strong Spidey is. You keep saying Spidey won't know anything about Batman yet you never bother to say that Batman also know nothing about Spidey. And that's a lot worse for Batman then it is Spidey. Batman isn't going to start out on the offensive but defensive. And not much he can do defensively against Spidey. Spidey is faster, stronger, more agile, and can easily web him up. Batman isn't going to start throwing Smoke bomb, flash, and any other kind of bomb all at once to screw up the spider sense cause he has no idea about it."

your post is full of points we already debated....is batman hitting steal? no does he have enough strength to hurt spidey with feet and fists...YES...that was the point of that...defensively? so all his bat gadgets won't do anything to help him defensively....riiiiiiight.....
his sonic high pich freq emitor alone would put spidey on his knees...

anyways...."i punch at guy...guy dodges...I throw out move after move he moves out of the way he even knew that batarang was coming at him after it bounced off the wall behind him...hmmmmm esp? okay.........throw something wide wider base wolume....like gas and grenades.....one high one low...keep attacking....."

common I'm not even a "master tactician" and that was simple...

Originally posted by Creshosk
Have you ever read a Batman comic?

He'd throw it because iot is . . say it with me. . "An area effect attack" Those are HARDER to dodge. Than a simple projectile.

"he has....and the jla he almost did....it was semi an accident...but nonetheless..."

He's NEVER beaten Superman. In DKR he had help, and the fight never finished as Bruce fakes a heart attack. Yes Batman would have won but Superman was already weakened by a nuke, Barry, having the ceiling collapse on him, and Ollie.

JLA 🙄 He never beat the JLA. He would have been able to take out one of them if they went rouge possibly. But he could not of taken them out by himself. It was Ra's, and his people that did it. Not Batman. If anything Ra's should get the credit. Stealing something from Batman then having the nerve to dig up Bruce's parents to get him away from the JLA.

Originally posted by Kento
He's NEVER beaten Superman.

"In DKR he had help, "

that's not even one of three examples I was thinking of....

"He never beat the JLA. He would have been able to take out one of them if they went rouge possibly. "

yes his failsafes did....it made the JLA consider kicking him off the team...I already gave reference numbers....if you don't take my word for it ok....then get the books....if you don't do that...well you're outa luck...

"anyways...."i punch at guy...guy dodges...I throw out move after move he moves out of the way he even knew that batarang was coming at him after it bounced off the wall behind him...hmmmmm esp? okay.........throw something wide wider base wolume....like gas and grenades.....one high one low...keep attacking.....""

-_- Batman isn't all knowing. He isn't going to suddenly know about Spider-Sense. He's just going to think they guy is good at dodging nothing else. Not saying he wouldn't throw a flashbang or something after but he isn't going to know about Spidey having precog type thing.

Originally posted by jinzin
"In DKR he had help, "

that's not even one of three examples I was thinking of....

"He never beat the JLA. He would have been able to take out one of them if they went rouge possibly. "

yes his failsafes did....it made the JLA consider kicking him off the team...I already gave reference numbers....if you don't take my word for it ok....then get the books....if you don't do that...well you're outa luck...

🙄 I've read that series. He made oneshot plans to take out memebers of the JLA if they went rouge. That means one not all. He made the plans. Execute them? No. Ra's, Talia, and the rest did all that, and beat them. Batman would not have. Plus his Red Kryptonite wouldn't of stopped a evil Superman.

Then when did Batman beat him if you don't mean DKR?

Originally posted by Kento
"anyways...."i punch at guy...guy dodges...I throw out move after move he moves out of the way he even knew that batarang was coming at him after it bounced off the wall behind him...hmmmmm esp? okay.........throw something wide wider base wolume....like gas and grenades.....one high one low...keep attacking.....""

-_- Batman isn't all knowing. He isn't going to suddenly know about Spider-Sense. He's just going to think they guy is good at dodging nothing else. Not saying he wouldn't throw a flashbang or something after but he isn't going to know about Spidey having precog type thing.

People do tend to give away there powers sometimes with their costumes. . .

Originally posted by Creshosk
He figures it out. . its part of what makes him good, he's inteligent enough to figure out things about his opponent. . .

People do tend to give away there powers sometimes with their costumes. . .

:Then when did Batman beat him if you don't mean DKR?"

aside from DKR there is the time he got suped in the red room and kicked his ass another in hush and another i think....but I don't remember the issue....

he can't do it without prep time that's for sure...but until proven otherwise when he has prep it's more than sufficient...

Originally posted by jinzin
:Then when did Batman beat him if you don't mean DKR?"

aside from DKR there is the time he got suped in the red room and kicked his ass another in hush and another i think....but I don't remember the issue....

you asked I gave an example....it stands...