😖 Okay so maybe saying Nightwing was faster wasn't right to do. But he isn't slower, and he is a lot more agile, and athletic.
And GL tried to fight him HtH not smartest thing to do for Kyle. Flash ran into a sword with explosions..Not exactly something that should happen. Zatanna needs time to speak, and she isn't exactly very durable. She is a weak member of the JLA.
Solomon Grundy = Slow. Clayface isn't all that fast either. They got strength while Spidey has strength, speed, smarts.
Point was Spidey survived against the Hulk with his own abilities. So have the X-men, and anybody else. Beating Hulk with knockout gas isn't something worth mentioning when people less skilled them Batman have survived going against him.
Crossovers are not canon, and most are not written right or show a person right. I mean Carnage being beat by Batman...come on.
He told Cap that Cap can beat him...Yea that pretty much proves Cap's better by those words. Batman ain't going to flat out say you're better then I am.
I'm sure there's other stuff I missed answering.....Oh well.
"Okay so maybe saying Nightwing was faster wasn't right to do. But he isn't slower, and he is a lot more agile, and athletic."
again when was this stated? batman used his athletisim and agility to survive a ten story drop while trying to maintain the safety of someone that was falling with him....I've never seen nightwing do anything like that.....
Originally posted by Kento
😖 Okay so maybe saying Nightwing was faster wasn't right to do. But he isn't slower, and he is a lot more agile, and athletic.And GL tried to fight him HtH not smartest thing to do for Kyle. Flash ran into a sword with explosions..Not exactly something that should happen. Zatanna needs time to speak, and she isn't exactly very durable. She is a weak member of the JLA.
No he was up in GL's face before GL knew what was going on. As for Flash, DS has shown similar speed against Wonder Woman and Impulse, and Zatanna, the chick who brought bacK Metropolis after it's destruction, The one who can do basically anything she wants, she's a weak member?
Originally posted by Kento
Solomon Grundy = Slow. Clayface isn't all that fast either. They got strength while Spidey has strength, speed, smarts.Point was Spidey survived against the Hulk with his own abilities. So have the X-men, and anybody else. Beating Hulk with knockout gas isn't something worth mentioning when people less skilled them Batman have survived going against him.
Less skilled, like Spidey right, cause you brought up the Hulk.
Originally posted by Kento
Crossovers are not canon, and most are not written right or show a person right. I mean Carnage being beat by Batman...come on.He told Cap that Cap can beat him...Yea that pretty much proves Cap's better by those words. Batman ain't going to flat out say you're better then I am.
I'm sure there's other stuff I missed answering.....Oh well.
So first it was admitted to being beat, and now you're saying what I said which is, admitting that the possibility exist. Explain how that proves that he loses? He's not going to flat out say, "you're better than I am" because it's not true.
First off Batman's rogue gallery does not have power but is it not the JLA (the worlds strongest superhero team ever) need the help of batman just to take down set weak rogue gallery? They may not be big on power but their brain power is going to make spidy's rogue gallery's brain hurt. And we all know that in comics having power does not mean you are going to win. Batman and his rogue gallery is a prime example of that.
Originally posted byKento
He told Cap that Cap can beat him...Yea that pretty much proves Cap's better by those words. Batman ain't going to flat out say you're better then I am.
Batman never said that Captain America was better than him, can beat him in a fight. You see they started out testing each other. Then after that was finished batman said there is a possibility that you could beat me. Where Kento did batman said Captain America could beat him. Because I think I missed that issue.
Spiderman is not knocking out batman with one punch. Fully powered or other wise. Batman has taken shots from a ticked of superman from the future, and from a superman under the control of red krytonite. And this superman used super speed to knock batman back. And all batman had to show for it was a broken nose. You see batman's Kevlar of batman is quite durable. Unless spiderman greatly becomes more powerful than a ticked off superman from the future or a superman under the control of a red kryptonite. Spiderman's strength factor has been negated. (In order-words it ain't gonna do jack squat. Ok maybe not jack squat but it is not going to be as effective as you guys think.) (Again that Kevlar and batman's training)
Batman is known for taking great leaps in logic. And you what when ever he makes a suggestion he is always 99.9999.......% accurate. So batman is going to know about the spider sense on their first meeting. If not so how do you explain the encounter with DD. And one more thing in that crossover with spiderman didn't batman sneak up on spiderman with out the spider sense going off?
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Buzz off Swanky, since when does Spiderman splat people in 1 hit (even though he can't)? That's the arguement alot of Spidey fans use, so if the characters are gonna be in bloodlust then that goes for BOTH of them. If Spidey's not in bloodlust (something pro-spidey people don't use anymore) he has an even smaller chance of winning (which is why pro-spidey people don't use that arguement anymore.)
I was thinking about this thing called denial and I realized that it runs very deep in this thread. Statements like this prove it. You will never see Spidey splatter someone because.... IT'S NOT FOR MATURE AUDIENCES!!! Logic is cleaned up for the younger audience. jinzin used his wrestling match as an example so I'll use this one. Saying that Batman can hang with Spidey despite human limitations is the same as saying that Hulk Hogan can outwrestle( real wrestling ) Kurt Angle, a two time gold medalist because Hogans been wrestling longer and you've seen him do it. When you get old enough to realize that script=FAKE and you still cling to the fantasy THATS DENIAL. Of course Spidey can splatter heads if he can lift ten tons.. They would be easier to burst than grapes... You're using script/pretend logic. Spidey can't punch through a skull but Batman can headbutt through mountains. Whatever.... I noticed that you didn't attempt to rebutt my earlier post... 😎 Why am I not surprised?
that's not that great of an analogy at all.....the big difference between those wrestlers adn me or those wrestlers and comic book heros is that they live two lives the real one and the scirpted one....while we live one...(okay sotechnically two if you include ego/alter ego).....but what I mean is scripted or not.....those events are the various life experiences they have gone through......it's their LIFE! that's not the same as WWE at all! seriously.....not one of your better arguments....you keep haven to revert back to sentimental semantics.....
Originally posted by seaapple
I like Batman as much as the next guy, but part of the appeal of him is that he is a regular human with no powers that wins with his vengeful spirit, cunning, and gadgets.It's not a knock on Batman that Spider-Man is more powerful. Just like it's not a knock on Spider-Man that Superman would beat him. Sure, it is possible to concoct scenarios where the underdog wins. But really, Spider-Man is simply super-powered in a way that Batman is not. Spider-Man is a superhuman. I like both heroes, neither is my favorite.
Heroes without powers are cool, there is an appeal there. So when you start to claim to much for a hero of that type in a way you diminish the appeal of the hero. Batman is a gritty self-made urban fighter. Let him be that.
I'm just callin' it like it is...
Originally posted by The MISTER
I was thinking about this thing called denial and I realized that it runs very deep in this thread. Statements like this prove it. You will never see Spidey splatter someone because.... IT'S NOT FOR MATURE AUDIENCES!!! Logic is cleaned up for the younger audience. jinzin used his wrestling match as an example so I'll use this one. Saying that Batman can hang with Spidey despite human limitations is the same as saying that Hulk Hogan can outwrestle( real wrestling ) Kurt Angle, a two time gold medalist because Hogans been wrestling longer and you've seen him do it. When you get old enough to realize that script=FAKE and you still cling to the fantasy THATS DENIAL. Of course Spidey can splatter heads if he can lift ten tons.. They would be easier to burst than grapes... You're using script/pretend logic. Spidey can't punch through a skull but Batman can headbutt through mountains. Whatever.... I noticed that you didn't attempt to rebutt my earlier post... Why am I not surprised?
Are you saying that smackdown, RAW, ECW, are all fake. That they are scripted. Ok some of the things that they do out side the ring may seem as if it was planned. But once they in that ring it is all business.
Luchalibre to me looks like they planned everything from who is going to win to who gets to be run around the ring.
But none the less are you implying that Smackdown, RAW, ECW are fake. Becasue I assure it ain't.
Originally posted by WHO?-KID
So are Batman writers.
At least they know it is within batman's character.
Originally posted by jinzin
that's not that great of an analogy at all.....the big difference between those wrestlers adn me or those wrestlers and comic book heros is that they live two lives the real one and the scirpted one....while we live one...(okay sotechnically two if you include ego/alter ego).....but what I mean is scripted or not.....those events are the various life experiences they have gone through......it's their LIFE! that's not the same as WWE at all! seriously.....not one of your better arguments....you keep haven to revert back to sentimental semantics.....
I already made my real arguments and the analogy stands that when you have them wrestle each other one has a tremendous undeniable advantage over the other-- Experience--is kurts tremendous advantage.
When you have Batman and Spider-man fight without a script that elevates Batman to SUPERHUMAN STRENGTH AND DURABILITY FOR THE DURATION OF THE FIGHT.... Spider-man has the tremendous advantage of--Super-strength,agility,speed,durability,aim,and his own Experience using all of these. It should be obvious but here we are still debating the endless debate. ( I also didn't mean any offense in any of my posts so I hope none was taken... I noticed that you didn't rebut. 🙂 )
Originally posted by lifeisaglichWoah. You must be joking! Otherwise you just showed me something that lets me know you have no place in this debate. The winners are predetermined.
Are you saying that smackdown, RAW, ECW, are all fake. That they are scripted. Ok some of the things that they do out side the ring may seem as if it was planned. But once they in that ring it is all business.Luchalibre to me looks like they planned everything from who is going to win to who gets to be run around the ring.
But none the less are you implying that Smackdown, RAW, ECW are fake. Becasue I assure it ain't.
Originally posted by jinzinWe tried that, but people(Who think Bats would win) kept bringing them up. So I was like, if they wanna use'em I can too. How about we ALL agree to stop using them?
"He told Cap that Cap can beat him...Yea that pretty much proves Cap's better by those words. Batman ain't going to flat out say you're better then I am."you said crossovers aren't canon but you use this to support your argument?.....pick one or the other....