Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Are they? I don't know if moviepoopshoot allows direct linking.Or the 8th picture down here
Spidey clocks Doc Ock in the face and knocks him out.
You're comparison of Batman to some out of shape fat guy is inadequate at best.
"but how you can compare it to Bats hitting three assailaints with a richochet batarang while dodging is suprising to me."
He was running in a straight line, bullets around his feet. No dodgin' I was referring to that.
And yes, Joker, Scarecrow, Scarface, Mad Hatter, Riddler, Killer Croc are ALL in Spidey's leage how could I forget.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
It sounded like it.Just like he'll know what Spidey is going to do.
Or not (read above.)
How did it sound like it? I'm not the one who said it.
🙄 Oh yes cause we all know Batman knows Spidey just as good as he knows Clark.
😉 And Batman's not the fastest, and most agile person in the world. He can't dodge everything. Neither can Spidey but he's got a little extra help along with being a whole lot faster, and agile then Batty.
1 - Let's look at the track record. Batman is known for doing amazingly well even WITHOUT prep time and kicks major ass. A list of people he has defeated in crossovers: Hulk, Captain America, Scorpion, Bishop, Cannonball, Storm, Carnage?, etc etc and has held his own against Superman, Dare Devil, etc others..
2 - How well does Spidey do? He can't knock Scorpion out with 3 moves like Batman. How was Spidey's first encounter with Scorps? How well did his FIRST encounter with Venom go? Well Batman was unscratched and ready for a fight with Captain America afterwards so he probably won.
Not to mention Spider-Man loses a WHOLE lot more than Batman ever has. Spidey often needs superpowered friends to back him up like The Avengers or Luke Cage or other SHIELD. Batman has a small circle of Gotham protectors like Nightwing and Catwoman who are mere humans, STILL managing to keep the city under control with ease.
What's also interesting. in the crossover Batman vs Dare Devil - Eye For An Eye, Batman immediately realized that Dare Devil had enhanced abilities..
Batman - No..let's say you're visually impaired. you favor your OTHER mode of sensory input.
Batman (next panel) - A subtle inclination of your head when there's a sound. An extremely slight flaring of your nostrils probably indicating oflactory acutness.
Batman (next panel) - You're practiced, or possess sensory enhancements-- making your powers of observation markedly proficient.
Dare Devil *stunned * - Thanks..you're not bad either.
I mean..if Bats got all this right off the bat, how long would it take to figure out Spidey and how to kick his ass? Not very long.
Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
1 - Let's look at the track record. Batman is known for doing amazingly well even WITHOUT prep time and kicks major ass. A list of people he has defeated in crossovers: Hulk, Captain America, Scorpion, Bishop, Cannonball, Storm, Carnage?, etc etc and has held his own against Superman, Dare Devil, etc others..2 - How well does Spidey do? He can't knock Scorpion out with 3 moves like Batman. How was Spidey's first encounter with Scorps? How well did his FIRST encounter with Venom go? Well Batman was unscratched and ready for a fight with Captain America afterwards so he probably won.
Not to mention Spider-Man loses a WHOLE lot more than Batman ever has. Spidey often needs superpowered friends to back him up like The Avengers or Luke Cage or other SHIELD. Batman has a small circle of Gotham protectors like Nightwing and Catwoman who are mere humans, STILL managing to keep the city under control with ease.
Crossovers = canon feats now? Since when 😕
😄 As for Carnage seems he nearly got himself killed if not for Joker being there.
Batman admitted to Captain American being better then him.
He beat hulk with knockout gas....Big feat there.
😉 Want to look at Crossovers. How about the one people bring up when Spidey easily just tossed Batman aside like he was nothing, and all that?
Also Spidey took out the X-men if you want to go by who they beat.
Batman has a small circle of friends? He's got the JLA if he ever needs them. And who needs them for the likes of Killer Croc, Joker, Bane, Riddle, and the sorts? Venom, Carnage, Scorpion, Mysterio, Green Goblin > Batman's rouges.
Batman's fought Superman, Spidey's fought Hulk. Batman says he has things to take down Superman, Spidey says he has things to take down Hulk.
🙄 Who cares who they have fought, who cares about all that stuff. Batman has not fought anybody in Spidey's league who had the intent to fight him. None of his rouges are in Spidey's league, and Superman always held back way to much in the fights to even consider them fights. He didn't want to hurt him or anything.
I like Batman as much as the next guy, but part of the appeal of him is that he is a regular human with no powers that wins with his vengeful spirit, cunning, and gadgets.
It's not a knock on Batman that Spider-Man is more powerful. Just like it's not a knock on Spider-Man that Superman would beat him. Sure, it is possible to concoct scenarios where the underdog wins. But really, Spider-Man is simply super-powered in a way that Batman is not. Spider-Man is a superhuman. I like both heroes, neither is my favorite.
Heroes without powers are cool, there is an appeal there. So when you start to claim to much for a hero of that type in a way you diminish the appeal of the hero. Batman is a gritty self-made urban fighter. Let him be that.
I'm just callin' it like it is...
Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
What's also interesting. in the crossover Batman vs Dare Devil - Eye For An Eye, Batman immediately realized that Dare Devil had enhanced abilities..Batman - No..let's say you're visually impaired. you favor your OTHER mode of sensory input.
Batman (next panel) - A subtle inclination of your head when there's a sound. An extremely slight flaring of your nostrils probably indicating oflactory acutness.
Batman (next panel) - You're practiced, or possess sensory enhancements-- making your powers of observation markedly proficient.
Dare Devil *stunned * - Thanks..you're not bad either.
I mean..if Bats got all this right off the bat, how long would it take to figure out Spidey and how to kick his ass? Not very long.
😄 So now Batman's going to know Spidey gets a headache when something's about to hit him?
😉 Sherlock Holmes or Detective Conan could figure that out just as fast as Batman did. Wouldn't help them out much though. It's all about observation.
Spidey dodges. Its not going to give away hints that he has precog just faster then Bats is. Unless by some slight chance he's about to get hit from behind by a returning batarang or something.
Originally posted by Kento
How did it sound like it? I'm not the one who said it.
My bad, I went crazy on the quotes, I coulda screwed up.
Originally posted by Kento
🙄 Oh yes cause we all know Batman knows Spidey just as good as he knows Clark.
They've met before, and pulling your hand back in that awkward position isn't awkward and wouldn't give anything away, It's not like it's easier to see coming than a beam of light from someone's eyes who's looking at you anyway (that's sarcasm.)
Originally posted by Kento
😉 And Batman's not the fastest, and most agile person in the world. He can't dodge everything. Neither can Spidey but he's got a little extra help along with being a whole lot faster, and agile then Batty.
Actually, he pretty damn close to being the fastest and most agile PERSON in the world. Sure spidey's a little faster, maybe twice as agile. Sure it'd help him dodge, I'm not saying Bats would hit every time, just enough to win.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
My bad, I went crazy on the quotes, I coulda screwed up.They've met before, and pulling your hand back in that awkward position isn't awkward and wouldn't give anything away, It's not like it's easier to see coming than a beam of light from someone's eyes who's looking at you anyway (that's sarcasm.)
Actually, he pretty damn close to being the fastest and most agile PERSON in the world. Sure spidey's a little faster, maybe twice as agile. Sure it'd help him dodge, I'm not saying Bats would hit every time, just enough to win.
They ain't never met in canon. And not enough for Bruce to get to know everything about Spidey like he does Clark even if it was canon.
And no he's not. There are normal humans faster, and more agile then him. Nightwing being one of them.
Oh man, there's so much wrong with this, I don't even know where to start, but here goes.
Originally posted by brainchild81
Spidey. Batman's gotta reach for his weapons. Spidey's are in his gloves & even if they weren't, Spidey'd be a much faster draw than Bats.. Batman's fast, but Spidey's way faster with his metahuman speed.
When's the last time you saw Bats reaching for something? They skip those panels for a reason. Batman can gunsling, Spidey a faster draw my ass.
Originally posted by brainchild81
Bats is a master @ exploiting weaknessess. Spidey has no easily exploitable weakness like Supes or White Martians. Spidey's beaten humans w/prep-time and gadgets but Bats(to my knowledge) has never beaten anyone w/Spidey's powerset.
Strengths too can be turned into weaknesses, this is way Batman is a master tactician and you're not.
And while Bats has never gone up against someone exactly like spidey, spidey has been whipped by people not just like Bats (but not as good.)
Originally posted by brainchild81
Add to the fact that this is a no-prep battle and Bats doesn't have much of a chance. He's not beating Spidey w/out prep. Spidey can easily rush Batman the way Carnage did. Bats is moving in slow-mo compared to Spidey. Bats would still be cool though.
Damn straight he'd still be cool, all the while kicking Spidey's ass, when's the las time Bats wasn't prepared for something? Unless it's something big, which spidey is not.
Originally posted by brainchild81
Batman's fanboys seem to base his worth as a character on him being able to beat everybody. His real fans don't. Bats has been hit by the Joker,
The Joker hits Batman because of hi unpredicatability, something Spiderman does not have.
Originally posted by brainchild81
the idea of Spidey not being able to hit him is laughable. Bats tried to hurt Spidey and was hurled away with ease.
And he landed with ease as well, gee who knew if you put an olympic level gymnast in a position where he had to use acrobatics he'd end up just fine?
Originally posted by Kento
Crossovers = canon feats now? Since when 😕😄 As for Carnage seems he nearly got himself killed if not for Joker being there.
Batman admitted to Captain American being better then him.
He beat hulk with knockout gas....Big feat there.
😉 Want to look at Crossovers. How about the one people bring up when Spidey easily just tossed Batman aside like he was nothing, and all that?
Also Spidey took out the X-men if you want to go by who they beat.
Batman has a small circle of friends? He's got the JLA if he ever needs them. And who needs them for the likes of Killer Croc, Joker, Bane, Riddle, and the sorts? Venom, Carnage, Scorpion, Mysterio, Green Goblin > Batman's rouges.
Batman's fought Superman, Spidey's fought Hulk. Batman says he has things to take down Superman, Spidey says he has things to take down Hulk.
🙄 Who cares who they have fought, who cares about all that stuff. Batman has not fought anybody in Spidey's league who had the intent to fight him. None of his rouges are in Spidey's league, and Superman always held back way to much in the fights to even consider them fights. He didn't want to hurt him or anything.
Batman admitted that Captain America was better? who won the fight? Uh huh.
He beat Hulk with knockout gas. He can't do the same with Spidey who is 10 times weaker than Hulk? Spider-Man did NOT take on the whole X-Men. He couldn't even hold his own against Wolverine. Plus he was facing weakling members like Jubilee.
"Venom, Carnage, Scorpion, Mysterio, Green Goblin > Batman's rouges."
Batman's already defeated 3 of those villains on his FIRST encounters. FIRST! How far did Spidey get? He got pimp slapped. It took him tries again and again to finally beat them. Spidey also relies too much on superhero help. Batman usually takes on people by himself and wins. Spidey? not so much.
It matters ALOT about who beat who in crossovers because it gives you a preconception of their strengths and overall cunningness..they aren't just some fan fiction. Oh, and the Spidey/Batman crossover? Not a real fight.
Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
Batman admitted that Captain America was better? who won the fight? Uh huh.He beat Hulk with knockout gas. He can't do the same with Spidey who is 10 times weaker than Hulk? Spider-Man did NOT take on the whole X-Men. He couldn't even hold his own against Wolverine. Plus he was facing weakling members like Jubilee.
"Venom, Carnage, Scorpion, Mysterio, Green Goblin > Batman's rouges."
Batman's already defeated 3 of those villains on his FIRST encounters. FIRST! How far did Spidey get? He got pimp slapped. It took him tries again and again to finally beat them. Spidey also relies too much on superhero help. Batman usually takes on people by himself and wins. Spidey? not so much.
[b]It matters ALOT about who beat who in crossovers because it gives you a preconception of their strengths and overall cunningness..they aren't just some fan fiction. Oh, and the Spidey/Batman crossover? Not a real fight.
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😉 Well since Batman admitted Cap being superior in JLA/Avengers I'm guessing it wasn't Brucey who was winning.
DS was facing weak members of the JLA but everybody likes to bring that little feat up don't they. And what about Spidey fighting Hulk or F4?
Batman's rouges aren't super powered. He doesn't need super hero help.
😉 Logan beat Lobo, Superman knocked Juggy down with one punch, Quicksilver kept up with Flash, Venom beat Superman. Enough said about crossovers being anythin' to show strength differences.
Originally posted by Kento
They ain't never met in canon. And not enough for Bruce to get to know everything about Spidey like he does Clark even if it was canon.And no he's not. There are normal humans faster, and more agile then him. Nightwing being one of them.
Bruce is a detective and his deciphering skills are amazing. He does so well because he can think like his opponents and adapt to their manuevers + flaws. It wouldn't take him very long to figure out Spidey's powers and how to manipulate his spider sense.
Doesn't matter if Nightwing is faster, Bats could still take Spider-Man on.
Originally posted by Kento
😉 Well since Batman admitted Cap being superior in JLA/Avengers I'm guessing it wasn't Brucey who was winning.DS was facing weak members of the JLA but everybody likes to bring that little feat up don't they. And what about Spidey fighting Hulk or F4?
Batman's rouges aren't super powered. He doesn't need super hero help.
😉 Logan beat Lobo, Superman knocked Juggy down with one punch, Quicksilver kept up with Flash, Venom beat Superman. Enough said about crossovers being anythin' to show strength differences.
How did Superman lose to Venom? Got scans?
Marvel is known for being pretty contradictory in terms of power levels. Heck, DD beat Spidey..Wolverine beat Hulk.. the subtle losses and absences of victory show that Batman has a HUGE percentage of victory over Spider-Man. So how can people say that Batman doesn't have a chance against Spider-Man? It's overwhelmingly clear that if you analyze the two characters, Batman has upsetted victories far more than Peter Parker.
Those crossovers just prove that Batman stands a great chance.
PS. Didn't the X-men beat Fantastic Four? ah..off topic
Originally posted by Kento
😉 Well since Batman admitted Cap being superior in JLA/Avengers I'm guessing it wasn't Brucey who was winning.
Prove it, the way I remember he said "you could beat me" as in he has a chance, not proof of superiority. Until you provide a scan just drop it.
Originally posted by Kento
DS was facing weak members of the JLA but everybody likes to bring that little feat up don't they. And what about Spidey fighting Hulk or F4?
Green Lantern, Zatanna, and the Flash are week now? I'm starting to see where you get your logic.
Spidey gave the F4 some trouble, while all they wanted was to figure out what was going on. And he may have fought Hulk, but he sure as hell didn't do more than annoy him from what i've seen.
Originally posted by Kento
Batman's rouges aren't super powered. He doesn't need super hero help.
Like Clayface I-V or Solomun Grundy...
Originally posted by Kento
😉 Logan beat Lobo, Superman knocked Juggy down with one punch, Quicksilver kept up with Flash, Venom beat Superman. Enough said about crossovers being anythin' to show strength differences.
Don't compare fan voted fights and fights where you've left out tons of circumstances to well written cross-overs.
How did Superman lose to Venom
he was seriously depowered due to the crossing of the universes....it took away from his strength...I just don't remember how or why....I've been hunting through the ol collection like mad to find the issue it stated that in....but so far......well......I need to organize my room.....badly...