Originally posted by Creshosk
Yeah, Strawmen arguments are wonderful examples. 😄I mean the points I brought up are all within the Marvel Universe. . . So you had to go to the extreme and bring in a crossover.
Hey, you remember the time when Batman kicked a hulk in the stomache and the hulk FELT it?
Oh yeah, crossovers are marvelous. 🙂
Besides the given facts that he can dodge bullets, he's a good fighter, and he's cooler, can you give any good reasons why Batman should win this fight?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Yeah, Strawmen arguments are wonderful examples. 😄I mean the points I brought up are all within the Marvel Universe. . . So you had to go to the extreme and bring in a crossover.
Hey, you remember the time when Batman kicked a hulk in the stomache and the hulk FELT it?
Oh yeah, crossovers are marvelous. 🙂
Originally posted by StrawNilla
That's your opinion and I respect that.
Seriously. I'm trying to debate about a character the way he was portrayed in his own comic book.
You're trying to argue real world physics and takes on a character from people other than their creator.
I mean arguing about a character and the events that happen to that character in their own world is too much?
Originally posted by StrawNillaBatman kicked a hulk in the stomache in a crossover and guess what? The hulk felt it!
Wtf are you talking about? 😕
And in another crossover envolving Batman and the X-Man Batman punchedd Cannonball while he was blasting and altered his angle!
Crossovers. . . . yeah bad example of wierd feats from comics.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Seriously. I'm trying to debate about a character the way he was portrayed in his own comic book.You're trying to argue real world physics and takes on a character from people other than their creator.
I mean arguing about a character and the events that happen to that character in their own world is too much?
You usually gauge a character's greatest feats, not his worst failures. Then, you compare.
Originally posted by CreshoskI've been trying to get people to stop using crossovers for a while, but the Bat-supporters kept bringing them up. Anyway, I thought Predator WAS a DC property? I always see them fighting Bats or Supes.
Yeah, Strawmen arguments are wonderful examples. 😄I mean the points I brought up are all within the Marvel Universe. . . So you had to go to the extreme and bring in a crossover.
Hey, you remember the time when Batman kicked a hulk in the stomache and the hulk FELT it?
Oh yeah, crossovers are marvelous. 🙂
Originally posted by CreshoskCertain ones are.
Batman kicked a hulk in the stomache in a crossover and guess what? The hulk felt it!And in another crossover envolving Batman and the X-Man Batman punchedd Cannonball while he was blasting and altered his angle!
Crossovers. . . . yeah bad example of wierd feats from comics.
At any rate, could you list any advantages that Batman has in this fight?
Originally posted by brainchild81Predator is a dark horse property.
I've been trying to get people to stop using crossovers for a while, but the Bat-supporters kept bringing them up. Anyway, I thought Predator WAS a DC property? I always see them fighting Bats or Supes.
I've never seen a crossover that was decent enough to even consider. . . except for one where the heroes team up against the villans and they're all portrayed properly.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
You usually gauge a character's greatest feats, not his worst failures. Then, you compare.
I usually don't try to throw in things that have not happened. Like Straw's fabulous "One punch!"
Which he hasn't done against many heroes. . .
Originally posted by Cosmic CubeNot that wouldn't get discarded in a flash of fanboyism. . .
Certain ones are.At any rate, could you list any advantages that Batman has in this fight?
"UNFAIR ADVANTAGE! AND WHAT WOULD YOU CALL THAT UTILITY BELT?! A PROP?!"
Originally posted by Creshosk
Seriously. I'm trying to debate about a character the way he was portrayed in his own comic book.You're trying to argue real world physics and takes on a character from people other than their creator.
I mean arguing about a character and the events that happen to that character in their own world is too much?
Being critical of using real world physics just because it won't work out for your side of the argument is, no offense, kind of cheap. Seriously, if you're going to use examples of Batman kicking Hulk in the stomach and making him exhale...then I should be able to argue that Batman is human and has to use the chi to perform superhuman feats such as kicking through living trees, denting steel, etc and should pretty much never be able to do that on the spot or with the chi. Seriously, to compare a living tree's durability to that of the Hulk's isn't worth an argument.
But hey, if PIS/CIS examples are credible, then I suppose DD's villains are useless seeing as he's too tough for any of them on their absolute best day. Scorpion? Spidey should be beating him into the cement in every one of their encounters. Still, despite the proof PIS/CIS examples give us, why don't these occurances happen all the time in Spidey's world? No question. PIS/CIS examples aren't credible. If all writers were to take these outcomes for fact then nothing would be as it is now, and some of the weakest characters ever created would be pulling a Doc. Doom on us and take over the world only to relinquish it when they were to bored to care for it anymore. It's your choice of whether or not you want to accept this or that, but there's more to the topic at hand than what you have in your summary of the two competitors.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Predator is a dark horse property.I've never seen a crossover that was decent enough to even consider. . . except for one where the heroes team up against the villans and they're all portrayed properly.
I usually don't try to throw in things that have not happened. Like Straw's fabulous "One punch!"
Which he hasn't done against many heroes. . .
Not that wouldn't get discarded in a flash of fanboyism. . .
"UNFAIR ADVANTAGE! AND WHAT WOULD YOU CALL THAT UTILITY BELT?! A PROP?!"
Originally posted by Creshosk
Predator is a dark horse property.I've never seen a crossover that was decent enough to even consider. . . except for one where the heroes team up against the villans and they're all portrayed properly.
I usually don't try to throw in things that have not happened. Like Straw's fabulous "One punch!"
Which he hasn't done against many heroes. . .
Not that wouldn't get discarded in a flash of fanboyism. . .
"UNFAIR ADVANTAGE! AND WHAT WOULD YOU CALL THAT UTILITY BELT?! A PROP?!"
Please, list them, unless I have proven myself to be too big of a fanboy.
Originally posted by StrawNillaAnd humans can never EVER beat a nonhuman, no matter what! 🙄
What you've just said is exactly my point: Batman was portrayed first and foremost as a human out to make sure that what happened to him doesn't happen to anyone else.....he IS and, as long as DC doesn't go off it's nut, will always be HUMAN. Whether he's a human with gadgets or a human with the knowledge of 127 martial arts he is still HUMAN.
Originally posted by StrawNillaWhat you mean like calling Pis/cis because it doesn't support your side of the argument?
Being critical of using real world physics just because it won't work out for your side of the argument is, no offense, kind of cheap.
Why selectively apply the real world to comic books?
Bruce Banner's dead, Peter parker has cancer if not dead.
Reed richards, sue richards, johnny storm and benjimin grim? All dead.
Originally posted by StrawNillaThe batman hulk thing was an example of "Crossover's = bad"
Seriously, if you're going to use examples of Batman kicking Hulk in the stomach and making him exhale...then I should be able to argue that Batman is human and has to use the chi to perform superhuman feats such as kicking through living trees, denting steel, etc and should pretty much never be able to do that on the spot or with the chi.
And Batman IS human and has to use the Chi to do those feats. . . 🤨
Originally posted by StrawNilla
Seriously, to compare a living tree's durability to that of the Hulk's isn't worth an argument.
Hulk feat = crossover
Chi feat = his own comic
Originally posted by StrawNillaAnd who determines what was bad? The aurthors. . they retcon things out so the didn't happen.
But hey, if PIS/CIS examples are credible, then I suppose DD's villains are useless seeing as he's too tough for any of them on their absolute best day. Scorpion? Spidey should be beating him into the cement in every one of their encounters. Still, despite the proof PIS/CIS examples give us, why don't these occurances happen all the time in Spidey's world? No question. PIS/CIS examples aren't credible.
Like with jean grey dieing. Pfft, that was just the phoenix force, not the real Jean who was in suspended animation at the bottom of the sea.
Originally posted by StrawNillaOr you know not, *burns strawman argument*
If all writers were to take these outcomes for fact then nothing would be as it is now, and some of the weakest characters ever created would be pulling a Doc. Doom on us and take over the world only to relinquish it when they were to bored to care for it anymore.
Originally posted by StrawNillaOh yes Spidey's omega supreme one punch that he hasn't pulled off against a hero- but we shouldn't be arguing facts from the company's comic books to argue those company's characters. We should gussy up just the points that we think are real in our characters and argue from fanboyism. . .
It's your choice of whether or not you want to accept this or that, but there's more to the topic at hand than what you have in your summary of the two competitors.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Your fanboy spidey might be able to one punch your strawman batman.I'm not so certain about Marvel's spiderman and DC's batman.
Fanboy Batman could beat Galactus with prep. What's your point?
Batman can take a punch from a being that can lift 10 tons? Has he shown this level of durability in the past?
Say, what are Batman's advantages?
Originally posted by Cosmic CubeYou? I think you've been good. . don't remember right now. . I tend to remember the big negative displays more.
Please, list them, unless I have proven myself to be too big of a fanboy.
Anyway. . .
Spiderman is 15x the speed of an average human. But as it's been said Batman is not an AVERAGE human, despite what Straw wants to beleive.
He's a martial artist. . and they tend to move faster than average humans as well. . . So he has that to help try and cut down on the speed difference.
Then there is the Chi thing. . I'm not sure what all this entails as I'm not familar with it.
And he's got his gadgets. . .
Honestly I don't know who would win in a fight between Marvel's Spiderman and DC's Batman. . . Because both have technically fought variations of the other in their own comics. . .
So you really can't just count one or the other out of this.
I dislike going purley off of stats. Because weaker heros can beat stronger villans. . .
Originally posted by Creshosk
You? I think you've been good. . don't remember right now. . I tend to remember the big negative displays more.Anyway. . .
Spiderman is 15x the speed of an average human. But as it's been said Batman is not an AVERAGE human, despite what Straw wants to beleive.
He's a martial artist. . and they tend to move faster than average humans as well. . . So he has that to help try and cut down on the speed difference.Then there is the Chi thing. . I'm not sure what all this entails as I'm not familar with it.
And he's got his gadgets. . .
Honestly I don't know who would win in a fight between Marvel's Spiderman and DC's Batman. . . Because both have technically fought variations of the other in their own comics. . .
So you really can't just count one or the other out of this.
I dislike going purley off of stats. Because weaker heros can beat stronger villans. . .
x15 times faster... Where did you get this figure?
In a comic book, Doctor Octopus can beat the Hulk. This fight wouldn't be in a comic book.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Fanboy Batman could beat Galactus with prep. What's your point?Batman can take a punch from a being that can lift 10 tons? Has he shown this level of durability in the past?
Its actually a spiderman observation that has me skeptical rather than a batman feat.
I've seen Spiderman punch people before, and due to some reason they took the punch. For all we know humans are made out of different substances than normal humans are.
When THEY mutate they get powers. . . when WE mutate we get. . . cander, defects. . . nothing good. . .
Originally posted by Cosmic CubeIt was mentioned on a spidey bio somewhere in another thread where they were talking about his strength. One person said he was 50x faster and someone else pointed out it was 15x faster, still a helluva lot faster than an average human.
x15 times faster... Where did you get this figure?