]Silver Surfer VS God-like Cable[

Originally posted by clickclick
It says that Nate Grey exhibits all Cable's psionic and telekenetic potential and then some. It does say "unchecked by his techno organic virus" but it clearly says "potential" ... I can see the case for him being unsure of just exactly what he was capable of but then again we never saw Grey at full potential. His powers were so extreme that they were destroying him. Cable and X-man are not exactly the same and they are from different realities.

Its not like Stryfe and cable.

Sinister was a geneticist who was able to augement Grey's powers. Thats how come the powers were killing him, they were made to be so strong that they would kill him.

Cable was not created that way, Sinister didnt do that with him. He was conceived through normal conception.

When I say they're exactly the same I'm speaking in terms of genetics. On the genetic level as well as psionic Cable,X-Man and Stryfe are the exact same being. ( Save for Cable having the techno organic virus and X-Man having the failsafe that breaks down his body as well as age. ) It states it in EVERY X-Man and Cable comic they appear in together. It's not unlike Cable looking into a mirror and meeting himself only younger. They're the same in every respect there. Their life experiences however are totally unique. That's where they vary.

Yes, Cable was born through " natural " means. But it depends on what you consider natural. Sinister went out of his way and painstakingly created an exact genetic duplicate of Jean Grey. ( Madelyne Pryor ). He then sent that clone into the world with a prime directive -- to mate with Scott Summers and produce a child. ( Cable ). So though Cable was born through " natural " means the circumstances of his birth was also a meticulously planned out process which Sinister orchestrated from behind the scenes. There was even a time when he got hold of the baby Nathan and placed him in a stasis tube when he regulated and checked on the stability of his " creation " until Maddie came back as the Goblin Queen and took him. So you see Sinister DID create Cable. He takes credit for it throughout his appearances during " X-Force #57 , Cable #6-8 "

As for Nate...All sinister did was combine the genetic samples he took from Jean Grey and Summers and mixed them up in an artificial womb. He meticulously checked on the PROGRESS of the child and made sure that everything was good. ( X-Man #0 ) Nate Grey's powers came directly from the genetic samples of his parents otherwise what did he need Jean Grey and Scott Summers for? If he could CREATED a super-mutant like Nate without their specific genes don't you think he would have? And he wasn't made so powerful that his abilities were killing him.It was because Sinister put a failsafe in Nate genetics causing him to burn out at a specific age.

Btw, Cable will still lose to Surfer.

As for Nate...All sinister did was combine the genetic samples he took from Jean Grey and Summers and mixed them up in an artificial womb. He meticulously checked on the PROGRESS of the child and made sure that everything was good. ( X-Man #0 ) Nate Grey's powers came directly from the genetic samples of his parents otherwise what did he need Jean Grey and Scott Summers for? If he could CREATED a super-mutant like Nate without their specific genes don't you think he would have? And he wasn't made so powerful that his abilities were killing him.It was because Sinister put a failsafe in Nate genetics causing him to burn out at a specific age.

Im aware of where Nate's powers came from and likewise with Cable and Stryfe. They were all very similar but X-man wasnt an exact copy. Plus like I said I was under the impression that Sinister augemented Nate's powers. Like when you read he had the potential to be the most powerful psionic on the planet and so on.

IM also aware that Sinister made a failsafe but I thought thats how he did it, by augmenting his powers. I think I got this impression from what Moira MacTaggart was saying. When she was talking about how her son was so powerful that it destroyed him and how she feared the same thing would happen with nate.

I understand how in the comics it said that they are identical [you qouted them to us before, Nathaniel].

However heres tha thing : Nate Grey's genes were painstakingly altered by sinister so that he would have tha MAXIMUM potential of power - as tha paternal and maternal genes would allow. Therefore, Nate Grey is tha best that a Summers/Grey[or clone] son can ever be.

To put it in simpler terms, some of you may have a taller brother or a smarter brother. they are like that because they got better genes when it came to those specific things. maybe you got a better gene for fighitng male patern baldness while he's gona be taller smarter and balder. Sinister made it so Nate would have tha most mutant power possible - Nate Grey.

Therefore i think that power potential wise : Nate Grey is superior. but cable is far better at controlling it. Besides, Nate died a couple of YEARS ago - at tha time of his death [He was a Shaman...had most control of his powers]he would pumble Cable in to dust.

Nate Grey's story didn't live long enough to be allowed to enjoy tha glories such as..not being inhibited by a virus and having GOD-LIKE powers like Cable.

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But yea, I think surf would win now lol. he went THRU a star?? damn.

I've personally never read anything of that sort in the 75 issues of X-Man I have. I'll definately go flip through them again to see if I missed anything. I know Sinister developed Nate but never in such an overtly meticulous manner. Even in X-Man #0 all he states is how he regulated his conditions. And I still dispute the levels of their potential. Sinister has never settled for second best and if one Universes Sinister made it a point that all of the correct genetic sequences were to the ultimate potential then I'm sure the other was as well. It's like stating that one Sinister was a slouch and didn't do a very good job on his work. And I think we all know that regardless of time or space Sinister always puts his best foot forward.

the difference being that sinister had nate grey in his presence and was able to do what he wanted.

i still think cable takes this one,
btw, cable could also go through a star if he psionically shielded himself enough, which i think he could.

how do you know that? Even if so, his shield can only last but so long where as Surfers body is indesctrutible. At worst, he outlasts cable.
Cable will get tired.

"Sinister has never settled for second best and if one Universes Sinister made it a point that all of the correct genetic sequences were to the ultimate potential then I'm sure the other was as well. It's like stating that one Sinister was a slouch and didn't do a very good job on his work."

But the problem is which universe had a Sinister motivated enough to so painstakingly create a being such as Nate Grey.

That universe being the Age of Apocalypse, sinister needed a very powerfull weapon against such a powerfull entity - so powerfull to have that whole dimension named after him. to overthrow someone like Apocalypse, is tha ultimate motivation to create something equal in power.

If different dimensions do exist, and you had John Doe who was a genius but never felt tha need to use his intelligence as oppose to John Doe of another dimension who needed to use his intelligence to survive...you would have two totally different results from the same being due to different circumstances. tha same principle applies here.

Silver surfer. Not much of a match.

Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88
But the problem is which universe had a Sinister motivated enough to so painstakingly create a being such as Nate Grey.

That universe being the [b]Age of Apocalypse, sinister needed a very powerfull weapon against such a powerfull entity - so powerfull to have that whole dimension named after him. to overthrow someone like Apocalypse, is tha ultimate motivation to create something equal in power.

If different dimensions do exist, and you had John Doe who was a genius but never felt tha need to use his intelligence as oppose to John Doe of another dimension who needed to use his intelligence to survive...you would have two totally different results from the same being due to different circumstances. tha same principle applies here. [/b]

Both were motivated enough. Mr. Sinister's goals were exactly the same as AoA Sinister's goals. Exactly the same. To create a perfect mutant weapon from genetic material he considered to be without flaws and to use that being to destroy Apocalypse. I don't see much difference in their motivation or goals at all. That's a fact. Look it up if you wish.

Silver Surfer again, btw. ;] Gotta keep on topic.

Okay, issue 10 is on it's way. Anybody wanna hazard a guess as to how this fight unfolds?

Seeing as how this is going to be part 4/6 of this arc, I think it doesn't bode well for the Raddster, and we have a seriously stupid ending in store as (according to the issue desc. up at marvel.com), it's deadpool that is going to determine who wins. Ugh.

Guess: deadpool's going to discover some energy siphon that, I'unno - SHIELD I guess, has lying around take aim and fire at Norin, having 'converted' to Cable's cause. Having 'drained' SS of his power cosmic (double Ugh...I hate it when they do that to him), he'll be taken out of the picture.

Personally, I'd like to see a twist...like after having Cable explain himself, having SS in turn shurg, give cable a pat on the back and say "keep up the good work pal". Hehee....

I'm a Cable fan to the tenth degree but I just don't see him wiping the floor with the Silver Surfer. Cable's still relatively new to the whole " god-like powers " thing. Radd has been doing it for who knows how long? Maybe I'm wrong but I'm standing by my choice. I still see Surfer winning this.

.Five Days Left.

um the thing is that surfer as i said before has been known to posess enough power in force blasts to level a normal sized city, thas what it says in his official bio, but undoubtedly, cable's psionic strength is far greater, we should also remember that cable has more flexibility in using his powers than radd, because radd's powers are very specific, like force blasts, small scale control over matter and a certain degree of cosmic awareness and durability, however, cable's psionic scope is so vast that he has latent time warping powers. so i still say that cable takes this, but itll be a good fight nonetheless.

more flexibility then radd? radd´s powers are very specific? what the ****?? lsince when the power cosmic is specific?

SUrfer has so much more experience. He's been around prolly much longer than the nebody. ANd plus, Power Cosmic is really powerful. Surfer rarely cuts loose his full potential.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
um the thing is that surfer as i said before has been known to posess enough power in force blasts to level a normal sized city, thas what it says in his official bio, but undoubtedly

SS's bio is outdated. In the aftermath of a battle between him and Morg, an entire plant was obliterated (along with its moons).

Cable's powers are impressive in the sense that I've never seen SS apply his powers on a planet-wide scale with such control. However, a surgeon who is skillful with his scalpel doesn't mean he'll win in a knife fight...

^leonheartmm, I agree but tha outcome was already given away in comic summaries. Silver Surfer has to have won.

When i was arguing against surf winning, i was thinking along those lines that cables powers have unlimited possibility, compared to surf who may have tha ability to do some things...he was never shown to.

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Too ****ing bad my car is overheating and i need a new thermostat. ****!!!!!!!! oh well when any of u get it post whether its good or not. plz dont give away plot.

I NEED to take a trip to the comic book store. I have only $15 and I intend to spend it all on my Cable/Deadpool backissues