Cable did a lot of impressive things in Africa those last few issues...however, I fail to see how his ability to help cellular humanoid's health and building sculptures, has anything to do with fighting a cosmic being like Surfer, nothing that Cable has done looks like it could be used as either a good offense or defense to someone who has destroyed planets when unleashing his full power (Battle with Morg)
i think it really depends on Cable's ability to manipulate people's minds...and Silver Surfer's resistance to mind control.
If Surfer is an easy target to mess with, then Cable would make short work of him. Actually, I think Adam Warlock has been successful at gaining access to Norin's mind...so it would be somewhat safe to assume Cable is capable of similar acts.
Originally posted by Linkalicious
i think it really depends on Cable's ability to manipulate people's minds...and Silver Surfer's resistance to mind control.If Surfer is an easy target to mess with, then Cable would make short work of him. Actually, I think Adam Warlock has been successful at gaining access to Norin's mind...so it would be somewhat safe to assume Cable is capable of similar acts.
Yeah, but Adam takes adavatage of the soul, which is SS weak point. His mind, however is quite strong.
I think Cable's telepathy will be the deciding factor. He could just draw Surfers mind, Power Cosmic awareness and all onto the astral plane and do battle with the power cosmic awareness first. Is Cable strong enough to destroy the entire astral plane in order to destroy the Power Cosmic? If that could happen and I'm not sure Cable could defeat that kind of awareness, now that someone mentioned it. Still "if" that would open up all kinds of "new" power planes for Cable to work with or on.
Through the entropic destruction of both plane and awareness would come new growth that Cable would have first dibs on.
Meanwhile the fight would rage between raw Power Cosmic"Blind" and a Telepath who can bodyslide across the Universe and still wiper death in your ear. I dunno but it'd be a hell of a fight.
I just tend to give the edge to a telepath even over someone more powerful than Surfer, someone who has time power for example. 🪩
Originally posted by Maelstrom
I think Cable's telepathy will be the deciding factor. He could just draw Surfers mind, Power Cosmic awareness and all onto the astral plane and do battle with the power cosmic awareness first. Is Cable strong enough to destroy the entire astral plane in order to destroy the Power Cosmic? If that could happen and I'm not sure Cable could defeat that kind of awareness, now that someone mentioned it. Still "if" that would open up all kinds of "new" power planes for Cable to work with or on.
Through the entropic destruction of both plane and awareness would come new growth that Cable would have first dibs on.
Meanwhile the fight would rage between raw Power Cosmic"Blind" and a Telepath who can bodyslide across the Universe and still wiper death in your ear. I dunno but it'd be a hell of a fight.
I just tend to give the edge to a telepath even over someone more powerful than Surfer, someone who has time power for example. 🪩
Power Cosmic is left over energy from the big bang. Cosmic Awarness is something else. And Cable won't have the time to do all that because SS is so incredibly fast, his body would be worthless in the time.
Originally posted by norrin radd
i see that you have read jugfan posts, but you should read everybodys post here´s one very important.one more thing, i still have doubts that cables telepathy would work on surfer (and surfer sends messages trough space and stuff he has in fact telepathy, but not in cables level, not in dreams), thats why i´m saying certains things, but i think that in a few days we will have the repsponse to this question, who knows maybe i´m totaly incorrect.
lol well if ur gona talk bout "reading posts" i suggest u stop reading posts from ppl who share ur perspective. concerning u bringing up surf being telepathic...wut does it matter if surfer has telepathy or not? a greater telepath such as cable can render surfs' telepathy useless. also, i highly doubt that its that easy for surf to simply see something and turn it into a sandwitch....which is less impressive when you're cable, who has tha power to control surfers surroundings, surfers own BOARD, or surfers BODY itself. this isn't ur old cable folks, try imagining him as he is currently written.
Originally posted by Mav
Even if he did do all that (which I doubt), there is no way that Cable will have the time to process the fight. Surfer can fly at close to light speed, and with Galactus's help, has gone past. So by the time the nerves go up to his brain telling him to even attempt any of that stuff, the SS would have destroyed him, espceially if he wasn't holding back... 🙄
how would surf know exactly when "nerves go up to his brain telling him to even attempt any of that stuff"? more importantly, i assume u mean surf will attack cable at that great speed...a telekinetic forcefield could easily handle that situation. as i've stated before, even though cable is destructable, his powers are incredible. even his vision is vastly improved for he can see thru others eyes with telepathy, while telekinetically smashing buildings on surfer. all this while cable eats a sandwich molecularly converted by surfer, lol. i've come to a conclusion, which is - Nathan wins.
Also, cables telekenesis is powerfull enough to create an indestructable forcefield. so even if his body is destructable he can continously generate an indestructable forcefield throughout tha entire fight. thus ruling out surfs' advantage of being indestructable. tha posibilities are limitless, and if any of u kno cable...he is a very skilled combatant. any combat experience surfer has, cable out-does. not to mention his tactics prior to his god-like status, was strategy outside of using powers and weapons....and now that he HAS god-like powers, its all just a bonus.
Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88
lol well if ur gona talk bout "reading posts" i suggest u stop reading posts from ppl who share ur perspective. concerning u bringing up surf being telepathic...wut does it matter if surfer has telepathy or not? a greater telepath such as cable can render surfs' telepathy useless. also, i highly doubt that its that easy for surf to simply see something and turn it into a sandwitch....which is less impressive when you're cable, who has tha power to control surfers surroundings, surfers own BOARD, or surfers BODY itself. this isn't ur old cable folks, try imagining him as he is currently written.how would surf know exactly when "nerves go up to his brain telling him to even attempt any of that stuff"? more importantly, i assume u mean surf will attack cable at that great speed...a telekinetic forcefield could easily handle that situation. as i've stated before, even though cable is destructable, his powers are incredible. even his vision is vastly improved for he can see thru others eyes with telepathy, while telekinetically smashing buildings on surfer. all this while cable eats a sandwich molecularly converted by surfer, lol. i've come to a conclusion, which is - Nathan wins.
What? Are you kidding? How exactly would Cable do something as Manipulate Surfer's own body? Would you explain this to me? And the "Nerves go up to the brain thing" is me saying that SS is so fast, Cable wouldn't have time to comprehend what was happening.... And thus wouldn't have time to put up a TK shield before SS had already drained the Calcium from his bones.
I also assume that they both know each others ability, thus SS would not hold back and take hits, he would just wipe Cable away.
Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88
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Marvel Hierarchy
1. The Heart Of The Universe
2. Living Tribunal
3. Infinity Gauntlet
4. Death
5. The Infinites
6. Eternity/Infinity/Galactus (full power)
7. Oblivion
8. The Celestials
9. Franklin Richards (full power)
10. Master Order/Lord Chaos
11. Chronos
12. [b]X-Man (full power)/Onslaught (full power)
13. Love/Hate
14. Eon
15. Epoch
16. Chton
17. Stranger/In-Betweener/Oshtur/Agamotto/Hoggoth/Galactus (normal power)/Dark Phoenix
18. Ego the Living Planet
19. Dark Gods/Elder Gods
20. Eternals
21. Korvak
22. Shaper of Worlds
23. Beyonder
24. Phoenix Force
25. Hyperstorm
26. Dormammu/Shuma Goroth/Franklin Richards (normal power)/X-Man (normal power)
27. Demogorge the God Eater
28. Set/Cyttarok/Atum the God Eater/Demiurge/Gaea
29. Pheonix
30. Molecule Man
31. Odin/Zeus/Zuras/Shaman
32. Asgardian Destroyer
33. Pantheon of Gods
34. Kubik
35. Mephisto
36. King Thor/Thanos/Hulk (full power)
37. Beta Ray Bill/Adam Warlock/Silver Surfer/Morgtha new cable is close to x-man's power, and so he is more powerfull than silver surfer. this is mere fact. so i guess this goes to cable. [/B]
Your list is so off its amazing... How could King Thor not be at Odin level. And I've read comics where normal Thor beats the Destroyer. X-man would be Battered by the Hulk, and where is Jim Jaspers? He is a more powerful version of X-man, and the Fury beat him.
Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88
Also, cables telekenesis is powerfull enough to create an indestructable forcefield. so even if his body is destructable he can continously generate an indestructable forcefield throughout tha entire fight. thus ruling out surfs' advantage of being indestructable. tha posibilities are limitless, and if any of u kno cable...he is a very skilled combatant. any combat experience surfer has, cable out-does. not to mention his tactics prior to his god-like status, was strategy outside of using powers and weapons....and now that he HAS god-like powers, its all just a bonus.
SS could simply destroy earth, and then lets see who will survive in space, SS or Cable.
Originally posted by Mav
What? Are you kidding? How exactly would Cable do something as Manipulate Surfer's own body? Would you explain this to me? And the "Nerves go up to the brain thing" is me saying that SS is so fast, Cable wouldn't have time to comprehend what was happening.... And thus wouldn't have time to put up a TK shield before SS had already drained the Calcium from his bones.I also assume that they both know each others ability, thus SS would not hold back and take hits, he would just wipe Cable away.
Cable can move any matter, dont tell me surfers body isn't matter. though it would prolly be harder for cable to manipulate surf's body, it isn't impossible. cable could still take control of surf's board, can he be lightning fast then? of course wut i mentioned is a fraction of cables full potential...now that he has full control of his powers. there is no measure of wut he could do since there are countless substances he controls, resulting in limitless possibilities. cable would know of surfers ability, as u mentioned, therefore he would put an indestructable telekinetic forcefield from tha start of tha battle. its common sense.
Originally posted by norrin radd
SS could simply destroy earth, and then lets see who will survive in space, SS or Cable.
Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88thas really cheap, and ruthless to all that would die, and not to mention uncharacteristic for surf. face it, surf would lose. BUT OK, lets say that surf DID destroy tha earth as cheap and careless as that is not to mention surf would get jumped by a million powerfull beings...for it to be a fair fight surf would have to let cable wear some sort of suit - since surf is fighting someone who isn't a cosmic being, as he is.
i know it´s cheap, and of course i know he would never do it, i only said that to end the discussion.
but really you don´t convince me, that cable is stronger, i still don´t think that way.
Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88
Cable can move any matter, dont tell me surfers body isn't matter. though it would prolly be harder for cable to manipulate surf's body, it isn't impossible. cable could still take control of surf's board, can he be lightning fast then? of course wut i mentioned is a fraction of cables full potential...now that he has full control of his powers. there is no measure of wut he could do since there are countless substances he controls, resulting in limitless possibilities. cable would know of surfers ability, as u mentioned, therefore he would put an indestructable telekinetic forcefield from tha start of tha battle. its common sense.
can´t surfer protect himself with a force field as well? (power cosmic)
Norrin Radd - Wit a name like yours, i prolly couldn't convince u no matter how hard i tried. end tha discussion? why man? tha polls show this is a good match up, if noone else thinks so :-/.
besides u cant just say *anythin* jus to support surf, if u cant think of anythin "real" than just admit that cable would win this one.
btw u haven't convinced me how surf could prevail either :-p.