Sex before or after marrage.

Islamic law requires an absolutely totalitarian state. Anything less than that is sub par. When the natives of former Persia imported alot foreigners as a work force, the new Islamic lobby quickly took over - and they didn't keep any Persian traditions. The Ayatollah they set up was a dictator for life - he chucked out all the Persians. One could say it was a shame that the Persian culture had to be abolished, but as the muslim leader of Wales would say, "so what?" I know a man from former Persia, he is nice enough. Granted they were a peaceful people, they had done OK on their own with the oil and that, but doesn't "might make right" as the saying goes?

I think that what we have currently in the UK is vastly inferior to Persia's old regime. An elite of career politicians have taken away power from local levels. They subject the slack jawed public to their lies and spin through every media channel. Freedom of speech is an oddity. As the Philosopher Roger Scruton said, "the larger the bully, the more legitimate his claims..." 🤪 💃

so shaber you believe that destroying one person culture because there are fewer of them is correct then, and that forcing someone to live under a rule of a dictator is FINE. Now i really hope i dont have to live under islamic law.

shaber>In the UK ghettoes all the kids, asian and white alike, have to become muslims to survive. So you could well call the UK a near Islamic state.

what are you talking about?
the UK is not even close to being "a near Islamic state".

the only thing you can say is that the uk allows everyone to follow their chosen religion - therefore there are some muslims.
however there is also lots of other religions - eg the korean church near me.

ps where are you from?

omega>
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i don t mean to be repetitive but its totally up to the individual i also believe that to be in love wit someone you have to know them entirely physically, emotionally and mentally so that means you have to have sex xxxxx

Shaber> You seem to know a lot about religion and the demands of the same. Tell me, what does Christian law require???
You seem to be on a peculiar crusade against Islam – mind telling me, what that has got to do with forumite opinion on sex before marriage??

Anyway: There are fanatics who absolutely hate state and church being separated. Who want to force their belief down everybody elses throat, whether they want it or not.
Fanatics adhere to the letter! To the letter in “the book”. Now, you can find those in Christian, Judaic and Islamic guises.
Back before state an church was separated in Europe, you had totalitarian Christian states, known as monarchies. In protestant opinion, back then, the King was ordained by God himself.
I’m not really sure whether or not the US has separation of state and church (When the president says “God bless America” I tend to believe there is no separation). As we know, certain Arab nations doesn’t have separation of state and church. That’s a problem. A big one.
A culturally accepted delusion shouldn’t govern ANY country.

The Omega>A culturally accepted delusion

what a good phrase to some up religion - i will use that in the future

do remember that talking about religion is a big no no

yeah we can talk about religion only if we dont upset or be rude to other members

that's still a very thin line, ash

sex beofre marriage

Some people like to have a written, official union with the person they love.

yeah i agree with Backfire

Mook> Be me guest 😄
Truth be told, I “stole” the phrase from this site http://skepdic.com/
I’s a haven of sceptical, no-nonsense, critical and analytical approaches to everything from religion to UFO’s.
This page is a must for civilised debaters http://skepdic.com/tilogic.html

Yerssot> I’m not talking about religion 😉 I’m talking about culturally accepted delusions.

Finti has a point, though – I know this is going slightly Off-Topic. Why get married? What does a ring and a piece of paper do to change a relationship?? Really?
If I date someone regularly it is “official”. Don’t get me wrong, I am married myself. Finti just got me thinking…

ah, but I wanted to tell it to others 😉

i don't think the issue is sex before marriage, i think the issue is sex before love

I beleive in marriage, because it's like the final step, not something you can easily back out of when it's done ✅
Like say you are dating, you can just break it off, but if you get married it's more official, and not as easy to end, also before you get married you make a final commitment that this is someone for the rest of your life, so I believe in marriage.
However I don't approve or condemn the idea of sex before marriage it's a personal choice in my eyes, that everyone makes on their own.

Originally posted by The Omega
Mook> Be me guest 😄
Truth be told, I “stole” the phrase from this site http://skepdic.com/
I’s a haven of sceptical, no-nonsense, critical and analytical approaches to everything from religion to UFO’s.
This page is a must for civilised debaters http://skepdic.com/tilogic.html

Yerssot> I’m not talking about religion 😉 I’m talking about culturally accepted delusions.

Finti has a point, though – I know this is going slightly Off-Topic. Why get married? What does a ring and a piece of paper do to change a relationship?? Really?
If I date someone regularly it is “official”. Don’t get me wrong, I am married myself. Finti just got me thinking…

As I said, some people want to have a official document recognizing their union.

Silver Tears> But marriage is not the “final commitment”. Look at the divorce-rate. I do understand what you mean with, it’s not so easy to “just” back out of a marriage.

BF> Yes, I heard you. My question is more of the sort: But why? What does it do for “these people”, the official paper? Of course there’s some legal beagle, but for the actual relationship?
I know marriages – in one form or another – have existed for as long as mankind’s been living in cities, in all cultures and all religions. So we seem to like the notion.
But having a piece of paper – basically stating I “own” someone else, does that make my relationship ANY safer or happier? Truly?

I think sex before marriage is a grand idea. IF you actually want to. I think it was cermiestar who brought love into the picture. I think it’s a terrible idea to have sex, just because everyone else in your peer-group have. Again, age-old worn-out cliché: Follow your heart.

well omega, no it doesn't, it doesn't add anything to the relationship really, except making it an official binding in the eyes of god, and the country you live in. If anything, marriage is more dangerous because these days, devorces are so rampant that if you get married, you'd better pray your spouce doesn't get tired of you and divorce you and take half of your belongings.

It doesn't add anything, but it just makes some people feel better.

Finti just got me thinking…