wolverine vs colossus

Originally posted by -Pr-
i asked you if he was amped, as i haven't read the book.

if it's not been stated or implied, then why do people say he is?

yes, i think colossus should beat omega red.

that doesn't matter. you thinking someone has the wrong opinion still doesn't make them wrong.

becuase people like to pretend everytime he does something impressive he was enhanced. It a fact as Death the only enhancedment he got was psi blockers and adamatium skeleton.

yet he gotten his shit kicked in every time he foughten red.....but yet you think he should beat him? bias maybe?

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
oh sorry lol. his physical abilities havent shown any type of amping however, the demon has a certain amount of range abilities such as TK, bug control and fire manipulation.

becuase people like to pretend everytime he does something impressive he was enhanced. It a fact as Death the only enhancedment he got was psi blockers and adamatium skeleton.

yet he gotten his shit kicked in every time he foughten red.....but yet you think he should beat him? bias maybe?

so you think people are just being biased against logan?

pr1983

i think red shouldn't be able to affect him the way he does. that's simply my opinion. you're accusing me of bias?

Originally posted by -Pr-
so you think people are just being biased against logan?

pr1983

i think red shouldn't be able to affect him the way he does. that's simply my opinion. you're accusing me of bias?

I mean what else should we call it when people try to right off everything Death Wolverine did as him being enhanced physically? Dispite the fact who know how pannel what his "enhancements" were which was simply adaamtiun skeleton and psi blocker? What else do you call it when one feat from colossus will be taken as absolute fact but Wolverine needs mountains of evidences for his to be accepted?

Yes I am, because you don't think it should effect him but it does.....that fact you don't want to believe it does by definition makes you bias.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
He has more bias against him then most characters, superman runs into such things as well to a lesser degree.

I mean what else should we call it when people try to right off everything Death Wolverine did as him being enhanced physically? Dispite the fact who know how pannel what his "enhancements" were which was simply adaamtiun skeleton and psi blocker? What else do you call it when one feat from colossus will be taken as absolute fact but Wolverine needs mountains of evidences for his to be accepted?

Yes I am, because you don't think it should effect him but it does.....that fact you don't want to believe it does by definition makes you bias.

i'd say superman gets it just as much if not more, tbh.

its been a while since i read death wolverine, so i honestly dont remember.

i never said it doesn't affect him, did i? did i say i didn't believe it affected him? no, i didn't. please don't put words in my mouth.

Originally posted by -Pr-
i'd say superman gets it just as much if not more, tbh.

its been a while since i read death wolverine, so i honestly dont remember.

i never said it doesn't affect him, did i? did i say i didn't believe it affected him? no, i didn't. please don't put words in my mouth.

check respect thread if you like.

No but you don't think it should, and you still give colossus the win over him? So isent that the same thing?

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I think he gets it less, but that could simply be due to having less threads about him. Streetish level characters tend to have more thread and more popular to less educated posters, becuase people have an easier time relating.

check respect thread if you like.

No but you don't think it should, and you still give colossus the win over him? So isent that the same thing?

it's possible, though either way the gap wouldnt be that big imo.

lol, yeah, i'm going to trust a Logan respect thread. uhuh

not really. my reasons for colossus winning are not me blindly ignoring the death factor or spores.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
thats only hand book garbage. Thing strength was well beyond 50 tons well before colossus was even a character.

Actually it was stated on a panel during that era. Spider-Man didn't start as strong as he's now either. Rhino started as Class 20, IIRC... but that was stated at the back of the issue, not in the actual comic.

Originally posted by -Pr-
it's possible, though either way the gap wouldnt be that big imo.

lol, yeah, i'm going to trust a Logan respect thread. uhuh

not really. my reasons for colossus winning are not me blindly ignoring the death factor or spores.

we can't change what was written on pannel lol.

spores are ineffective against colossus. Really then why does he win? I mean if you don't believe he immune to the death factor then how does he become victorous. He fighting a faster, more skilled opponent with greater range then him self by far. If you believe the ability is effective, then there really no way colossus could hope to win a majority. Not to mention Omega red has easily held his own against colossus with out the uses of his death factor.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Actually it was stated on a panel during that era. Spider-Man didn't start as strong as he's now either. Rhino started as Class 20, IIRC... but that was stated at the back of the issue, not in the actual comic.

should note Omega red's death factor is a variation of things.

one it is a spore or field that attacks the opponent directly.

the Life siphon is completely different as it drains his opponents life force directly..

colossus is alive i dont know why OR wouldnt drain him.

either way this is the wrong thread to be talkin about these two.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
perhaps lol.

we can't change what was written on pannel lol.

spores are ineffective against colossus. Really then why does he win? I mean if you don't believe he immune to the death factor then how does he become victorous. He fighting a faster, more skilled opponent with greater range then him self by far. If you believe the ability is effective, then there really no way colossus could hope to win a majority. Not to mention Omega red has easily held his own against colossus with out the uses of his death factor.

Omega Red's strength increases with the Life drain of his opponent.

he doesnt start off at 100 tons but strength is not the sole factor in his fights.

he has shown to be able to lift tanks, wrestle iron man and hold down colossus..

class 75 easy without strength boosting

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
omega red isnt even class 100

He is most likely class 100. You may wish to educate yourself on the matter. Omega red may be stated as Wolverine rougue, but in all honesty, Wolverine no match for him and only got the kill becuase Omega red gave him a free shot and wolverine happen to have a sword on him that killed anyone.

sorry for taking this off topic, it just this thread is pointless untill we see what happen this weekend in wolverine.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
yea I no what your talking about, I not even sure that counts as on pannel. It had zero to do with the comic story and was asking for reader assistants on making character strength levels. Thing had feats in the 100 ton range during that time period, which just shows you how inaccurate hand books were and still are.

Yeah, handbooks tend to suck. Muramasa blade enhances fighting skill! Daken's gonna coat his skeleton with it! Seriously...

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
perhaps lol.

we can't change what was written on pannel lol.

spores are ineffective against colossus. Really then why does he win? I mean if you don't believe he immune to the death factor then how does he become victorous. He fighting a faster, more skilled opponent with greater range then him self by far. If you believe the ability is effective, then there really no way colossus could hope to win a majority. Not to mention Omega red has easily held his own against colossus with out the uses of his death factor.

lol. don't tempt me.

i don't believe omega red is that much faster. i don't believe his range advantage is insurmountable to pete. i think pete is stronger and more durable, and has enough to put red down. i know you won't agree, but it's what i think.

Yeah, Colossus constantly has showings that put him out of Red's league, yet Red continues to win. An opinion isn't bias, and Dum Dum calling Pr bias against Wolverine could easily be countered by calling him bias against Colossus.

Originally posted by KingD19
Yeah, Colossus constantly has showings that put him out of Red's league, yet Red continues to win. An opinion isn't bias, and Dum Dum calling Pr bias against Wolverine could easily be countered by calling him bias against Colossus.

Originally posted by -Pr-
lol. don't tempt me.

i don't believe omega red is that much faster. i don't believe his range advantage is insurmountable to pete. i think pete is stronger and more durable, and has enough to put red down. i know you won't agree, but it's what i think.

Red has shown enough speed to deflect bullets, nothing colossus has done is closes to that. Peter being stronger irrelevent, when as soon as omega red touches him he draining his abilities, not to mention red already shown to be within colossus strength range. More durable kinda irrelevent since red ability clearly bypasses colossus durbaility. Also red has greater damage soak then colossus.

He may have enough to put red down, but he never once shown it in there fights an is always on ht elosing end.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I agree. Heroes often job to villains, it's part of story telling.

Originally posted by KingD19
Yeah, Colossus constantly has showings that put him out of Red's league, yet Red continues to win. An opinion isn't bias, and Dum Dum calling Pr bias against Wolverine could easily be countered by calling him bias against Colossus.

actaully by definition an opinion is bias one way or another. Some are just less bias than others. Never said PR was bias aginast wolverine, never even hinted it actaully. How am I bias against colossus?