Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
lolRed has shown enough speed to deflect bullets, nothing colossus has done is closes to that. Peter being stronger irrelevent, when as soon as omega red touches him he draining his abilities, not to mention red already shown to be within colossus strength range. More durable kinda irrelevent since red ability clearly bypasses colossus durbaility. Also red has greater damage soak then colossus.
He may have enough to put red down, but he never once shown it in there fights an is always on ht elosing end.
and we disagree, so i don't see the point in continuing.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I agree. Heroes often job to villains, it's part of story telling.
like the last time colossus fought red.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
villains job to hero's far more often. Thats a pretty lame excuseReally like what? Red is a team wrecker and constantly potrayed as such.
actaully by definition an opinion is bias one way or another. Some are just less bias than others. Never said PR was bias aginast wolverine, never even hinted it actaully. How am I bias against colossus?
it happens all the time, so no, it's not a lame excuse.
Originally posted by -Pr-
and we disagree, so i don't see the point in continuing.like the last time colossus fought red.
it happens all the time, so no, it's not a lame excuse.
yet red been on the winning side in at least three fights between the two.
yes it very much is a lame excuses. please explain to me how colossus job? did he fight any differently then normal? nope, did he do any worse then he does against red nope.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
you disagree but have nothing to back your side. I notice only one side has any evidence.....other seems to just ignore what they dislike.....yet red been on the winning side in at least three fights between the two.
yes it very much is a lame excuses. please explain to me how colossus job? did he fight any differently then normal? nope, did he do any worse then he does against red nope.
just because you don't think i do doesn't mean i don't. seriously, don't get snarky with me.
and?
seriously? if this was logan you'd be screaming bloody murder and PIS, but because it's Colossus it's ok?
And no, it's not a lame excuse. TONS of heroes are the jobbers rather than the jobees.
Originally posted by -Pr-
just because you don't think i do doesn't mean i don't. seriously, don't get snarky with me.and?
seriously? if this was logan you'd be screaming bloody murder and PIS, but because it's Colossus it's ok?
And no, it's not a lame excuse. TONS of heroes are the jobbers rather than the jobees.
and we seen how colossus fairs against red even with help. and it not good.
Really? becuase the same thing did happen to Logan and I have zero problem with it, epic fail.
it is a lame excuses when he consistently gets worked by red and fights the same as he always does, but becuase people dislike it they wanna cry that he joobed which is rediclous.
Let's get back to the topic at hand, Colossus vs Wolverine.
Also, people are throwing around PIS and CIS far too much lately. Debate the material and showings. All of our favorite characters lose fights some of us don't think they should lose. All characters have showings which we don't agree.
Almost every character with limited or no powers have dodged/deflected bullets. That in no way grants those characters super speed/reflexes. Bullets job.
Every story has plot elements. If there were no plot elements there would be no story. PIS is Spidey fighting Sandman in a desert where there happens to be an oasis that happens to be near a limestone mine. Or Batman fighting Clayface and there is a liquid nitrogen or liquid oxygen tank right there.
CIS is when Superman or Surfer "forget" they have a whole array of powers for an inferior enemy can make a fight out of it. Or they hold back because there are innocent people around.
And arguing with a mod isn't the best way to make a case...
Wait... why can't Red's powers work on Colossus? The only time they have failed is when Psylocke tricked him into thinking he was using it when he wasn't, and when he was fighting an empty Ironman suit. Virtually every X-Man he has fought has gone down in seconds after contact with his life drain, Cyclops, Gambit, Beast, Jubilee, Rogue and even Colossus. Wolverine has a healing factor, he replenishes what Red takes. Colossus does not have a healing factor, he is in the same boat as anyone else would be, his durability is irrelevant...
Originally posted by KingD19The last time Rogue touched him nothing happened and it was written by Claremont. S'yms transmode virus didn't work on him, Famine's touch didn't work on him and that morlock who could drain your life force by touching you didn't work on Colossus either. But for some reason Red's powers did, must be PIS.
Rogue has absorbed everybody this side of the galaxy....everybody except Colossus in metal form. I think if she can't absorb him, nothing touch based can effect him.
You mean recently? Because the first time they fought Nimrod, Colossus got ko'd, then she took his power while he was unconscious. If she took his power while he was metal this time, then it was a writer error since her powers haven't worked on him multiple times in the past. It was actually shown and stated on panel that her powers don't work on him while he's metal.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
The last time Rogue touched him nothing happened and it was written by Claremont. S'yms transmode virus didn't work on him, Famine's touch didn't work on him and that morlock who could drain your life force by touching you didn't work on Colossus either. But for some reason Red's powers did, must be PIS.
Rogue has taken Colossus powers while he was in Steel form as well fyi. Rogue was immune to the transmode virus too, and Omega Red's still powers worked on her. Famine's touch didn't steal life force, it caused starvation and hunger pains, Colossus doesn't require food or water in his metal form so he was immune. I don't remember the Morlock incident so I can't comment on that.
Nothing you brought up makes me think Colossus would be resistant to Red's powers. Arkady has even downed Iceman in iceform in seconds with his pheremones, and his actual touch is much more potent.