wolverine vs colossus

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Colossus utterly no-sold the first slash and then tooled Logan for a few pages and chucked him out into the harbor.

Before Piotr finishes a two sentence exchange with Kitty, Wolverine somehow flies back flaming, crashes through the ceiling with a thunderous THOOM and all of sudden, Colossus is bleeding profusely while being thrown down multiple floors.

The scene makes little sense.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
The whole feat is questionable as Wolverine WAS possessed by a Demon at the time AND the demon allowed him to manifest powers he's never had before. Until Wolverine can PROVE w/o the Demon that he CAN cut Colossus, this feat will have to classified as inadmissible in proving whether or not Wolverine can cut Colossus under his normal strength level.

pretty much called this bullshit.

There zero evidence that his physical stats are enhanced in the least bit and there on pannel statements of night crawler volume 3 stating demon posssing wolverine body actaully hinder it not amped it............

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
There zero evidence that his physical stats are enhanced in the least bit and there on pannel statements of night crawler volume 3 stating demon posssing wolverine body actaully hinder it not amped it............

i'm not saying you're wrong, but you would have to show evidence that it's the same kind of demonic possession if you want to use the nightcrawler evidence.

i'm assuming it's an older book seeing as kurt is currently dead.

Originally posted by -Pr-
i'm not saying you're wrong, but you would have to show evidence that it's the same kind of demonic possession if you want to use the nightcrawler evidence.

i'm assuming it's an older book seeing as kurt is currently dead.

It is an older book, however no one been able to present any evidence that his physical stats are enhanced or even suggested to. But meh I called this happening. I a little surprised it took this long for it to be completely chalked up to him being enhanced physically despite the lack of evidence.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
There zero evidence that his physical stats are enhanced in the least bit and there on pannel statements of night crawler volume 3 stating demon posssing wolverine body actaully hinder it not amped it............

I get where you're coming from, but that wasn't the same demon, and WOlverine wasn't dead back then, and the new demon is probably of a much higher class, possibly negating any negative side effects. Different circumstances can't be rolled into the same thing and just be expected to carry..

And jumping back through the roof of a multiple story building after Colossus clearly chucked him a fair distance, on fire and in seconds suggests amplification. Plus knocking Colossus through multiple floors with ease also shows physical amp.

Originally posted by KingD19
I get where you're coming from, but that wasn't the same demon, and WOlverine wasn't dead back then, and the new demon is of a much higher class, possibly negating any negative side effects. Different circumstances can't be rolled into the same thing and just be expected to carry..

Especially if they aren't by the same writer who has demonstrated a continuous reference to his older work reminding us that 'rules' established in the older work are still being applied.

Modern comics are hardly ever consistent outside of single contained arcs.

Originally posted by KingD19
I get where you're coming from, but that wasn't the same demon, and WOlverine wasn't dead back then, and the new demon is of a much higher class, possibly negating any negative side effects. Different circumstances can't be rolled into the same thing and just be expected to carry..

I not sure this demon is a higher class, I think Night crawler was force to use his demon sword on wolverine, but I am not sure, I gotta re read the issue. No however it evidence against him beign enhanced. Never been enhanced physically from a single demon possesing him, and this has happen more then once........ No reason to assume he was physically enhanced this time........

Exactly. And old story had Nightcrawler fighting evenly and pwning Spider-Man for a bit. Other ones had him dodging machine guns and lasers at point blank range...smashing in sentinel skulls and dropping 20ft rock trolls with a hard right. It wasn't stated, but they made it obvious he couldn't do that anymore as time went on.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Never been enhanced physically from a single demon possesing him, and this has happen more then once........ No reason to assume he was physically enhanced this time........

He was never dead before, and his soul in Hell, and being tortured by the Devil. And there's no reason to assume he's not...considering all the crazy shit he did.

Different variables result in different outcomes.

Originally posted by KingD19
Exactly. And old story had Nightcrawler fighting evenly and pwning Spider-Man for a bit. Other ones had him dodging machine guns and lasers at point blank range...smashing in sentinel skulls and dropping 20ft rock trolls with a hard right. It wasn't stated, but they made it obvious he couldn't do that anymore as time went on.

I'm not sure what point I was making with the Nightcrawler thing, although I am drunk at the moment. So meh...it's there...maybe someone else can use it.

Originally posted by KingD19
Exactly. And old story had Nightcrawler fighting evenly and pwning Spider-Man for a bit. Other ones had him dodging machine guns and lasers at point blank range...smashing in sentinel skulls and dropping 20ft rock trolls with a hard right. It wasn't stated, but they made it obvious he couldn't do that anymore as time went on.

I've always had a hard time deciding how situations like this are supposed to be presented in debate threads.

I mean, unless its stated retroactively that he was amped during those scenes or that he lost power somehow over time, then he still did those things under his own power.

Or do the newer, lower showings automatically retcon the older ones even without a specific mention?

Maybe feats should just be broken up into a decade by decade even without explicit mention of differences over time.

I dunno, people usually just clarify which version I suppose.

Originally posted by KingD19
He was never dead before, and his soul in Hell, and being tortured by the Devil. And there's no reason to assume he's not...considering all the crazy shit he did.

Different variables result in different outcomes.

Originally posted by KingD19
I dunno, people usually just clarify which version I suppose.

That's the thing, if there is no stated power up or power down, there really are no specific 'versions' to speak of. Sure, people could give specific issues, year range or even particular 'writer versions' and such, but I feel that is arbitrary and headache inducing as hell.

True CC, but until a system is deduced....we have to use what's available.

Thankfully, Steve Rogers owns regardless of the decade.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I've always had a hard time deciding how situations like this are supposed to be presented in debate threads.

I mean, unless its stated retroactively that he was amped during those scenes or that he lost power somehow over time, then he still did those things under his own power.

Or do the newer, lower showings automatically retcon the older ones even without a specific mention?

Maybe feats should just be broken up into a decade by decade even without explicit mention of differences over time.

Pretty sure we go by current showings if they are consistent enough.

If a character is introduced as uber and skydives during the duration of his/her time in comics, then yeah lower showings automatically retcon the older showings IMO.
Like Carnage, he was hyped when he showed up but he never continued to live up to that hype.

Usually prople try to specify what version of what character is in any specific thread but some characters (funny as your brought it up) are consistently uber on on some impressive tier since their inception, like Cap.

As far as the Colossus showing. I think there's certainly plenty of reason to think Wolverine was amped, or messing with Pete's physiology. But again... any assumption either way is premature until otherwise stated.