wolverine vs colossus

Started by Stoic57 pages

I was kind of standoffish about this thread, because since when does Peter bleed in his armored form? He was injured in the past due to penetration wounds, but he did not bleed in the typical sense, he lost what appeared to be energy. WTF is going on these days with these new writers?

It was a plot device imo. There is more examples to prove he don't have blood than examples that he does. There is actually scans stating that his organs and bones are metal also. The writer must not have had a logical way for Logan to beat on Colossus so he came up with this wonderful idea.

Also, anybody find it weird the first attack just bounced off but the rest diddn't? Maybe Logan was using some of his special powers to aid him in the attacks because it looked like Logan was on fire or something. Maybe we'll find out in the next issue.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Scouring is not cutting. Would like to see this scan to determine context.

Scoring:to make notches, cuts, marks, or lines in or on

-to cut ridges or lines into (meat, fish, etc.) with shallow slashes, usually in a diamond pattern, before cooking.

To score something IS to cut it. 😕

Oh I found the scan btw,
here you go:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20durablity/ColossustakingWolverinedown.jpg

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Wolverine didn't cut Colossus in that last fight. DEMON-POSSESSED Wolverine did.

Which is a point that's irrelivent in a discussion of whether or not Wolverine's claws can cut Collosus when the demons are possessing Wolverine's BODY.
Now if you can prove that there's some strength increase happening IN that body, if it's stated, mentioned etc then you have a case.
But as of yet, all of Hellverine's upgrades look like they're energy based, TK based, none of it looks like basic physical upgrades.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
This makes the scan inadmissible as any sort of proof that Wolverine can cut Colossus by himself, because Wolverine WASN'T himself when it occurred.

Him not being himself does not automatically dictate that he's more effecient, profecient, effective or stronger when in the action of cutting someone down.
The scan shouldn't be inadmissible to the specific point of Wolverine's claws vs. Collosus' skin until there's a valid reason to deem it so.
At the moment, that Wolverine's possessed isn't reason enough.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
We don't have to prove that he's had a strength amp. Like I said, the fact that Wolverine HAD an amp makes this whole feat completely ambiguous and invalid.

It makes it ambiguous and invalid as a general fight feat.
But in concerns to the specific point being addressed, yes, you DO need to provide proof of a strength upgrade because as it stands, the cutting feat at face value simply backs up a number of suggestive evidence already supporting it.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Also, anybody find it weird the first attack just bounced off but the rest diddn't? Maybe Logan was using some of his special powers to aid him in the attacks because it looked like Logan was on fire or something. Maybe we'll find out in the next issue.

Exactly. This is the most likely and reasonable conclusion to reach right now until the arc ends and we know for sure.

IMO he was using some sort of telekenetic physiological manip to do that... but I guess we'll see? Maybe.... I hope. 😕

Colossus, stop posting non-canon scans. This thread is incredibly close to getting closed, and that's not helping.

Originally posted by jinzin

...you DO need to provide proof of a strength upgrade because as it stands, the cutting feat at face value simply backs up a number of suggestive evidence already supporting it.

vampire logan got a strength/speed upgrade, hellverine could have the same?

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
It is an older book, however no one been able to present any evidence that his physical stats are enhanced or even suggested to. But meh I called this happening. I a little surprised it took this long for it to be completely chalked up to him being enhanced physically despite the lack of evidence.

i really wish you'd stop using that word.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C

Non-canon, and besides they fought another time in that universe and Wolverine cut out his metal heart.

Anyways on topic, basically everyone should wait till the story ends before we have the final say. I have a feeling they won't explain all his powers..... but I could be wrong.

This is what colossus looks like inside (NO BLOOD)

Wolverine, his berserker style will keep wailing on Colossus until he cuts a vital part in Piotr body or his head.

Originally posted by -Pr-
i really wish you'd stop using that word.
Which one?

Evidence I think.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Which one?

as nuul said, "evidence".

Originally posted by ankur29
vampire logan got a strength/speed upgrade, hellverine could have the same?

He could, but to claim so at the moment is premature.

Both Bada and I have talked about it, and read the issue, and we've come to the conclusion that feats used while possessed are not allowed. So that means that you can argue that Logan can cut Colossus, but based on what we've seen, using the scans from the recent Wolverine issue wouldn't be a valid way of doing so. Nor will any other feats performed while enhanced.

Originally posted by -Pr-
[b]Both Bada and I have talked about it, and read the issue, and we've come to the conclusion that feats used while possessed are not allowed. So that means that you can argue that Logan can cut Colossus, but based on what we've seen, using the scans from the recent Wolverine issue wouldn't be a valid way of doing so. Nor will any other feats performed while enhanced. [/B]

I love wolverine as a character and I am going to HATE saying this since Pr posted this but I agree with evrything he just said.

I also do not believe that wolverine is capable of cutting colossus without some type of outside source aiding him.

Just my opinion though.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
This sounds dangerously logical.

Knock it off.