The Official DragonBall Z thread

Started by Darkstorm Zero216 pages

Err, dude, EVERYONE has limits, but Goku has been surpassing his own limits all his life... thats one of the main themes of DB and DBZ.

Gohan... Not so much, only during the Cell Saga and Cell Games did he really break through, Mystic Gohan is still limited.

Originally posted by Mirai Gohan
Dude, I've beaten you at least five times with this debate. Goku is stronger when dead than when alive, he says so himself. And with the mystic power up, Gohan's power does not decrease, Elder Kai indirectly states it in some way or another. Btw, Goku can't even get that much stronger due to him being alive.
We haven't even have this debate so no you haven't.

And Gokou never says he's weaker. He says he can't hold the full power so he would be weaker sort of but his full power would still be the same. And he's been getting stronger since he was 12 and he's been alive so he can get stronger. He's never said otherwise. And even if Gohan didn't decrease in power 10 years is far enough time for Gokou to surpass somebody who doesn't train.

So? Your point? Anyone can surpass limits because as they get older their limits are less apparent. Goku has reached his limits though.

Thats a cxlaim that requires proof... Are you saying that Goku cannot get stronger now? because if thats what your saying, then your either lying, or you don't know what your saying, since we don't know, never where told, and there was no indication of Goku reaching any limit.

When does it say he's reached his bodies limits? He had a limit to what he had then but he also had a limit when he fought Radditz that he surpassed. He had a limit after he fought Vegeta that he surpassed when he got to Namek. Just because he had a set limit one time doesn't mean anything. He can still get stronger.

I'm saying if he did get any stronger it wasn't by much.

Goku surpasses his limits by leaps and bounds, sometimes over 5 times his previous limit in base form, there is no indication that he cannot keep doing so, even if he doesn't have any further SS Transformations.

Originally posted by Mirai Gohan
I'm saying if he did get any stronger it wasn't by much.
10 years training and he doesn't get much stronger when he's gotten a whole lot stronger in just 3 or 1. That doesn't make any sense.

If he's reffering to the time when Goku was dead bitween the Cell games and the start of the Buu saga, then I can easily say he got stronger by bucketloads, he not only acheived SS2, but also SS3.

If he's talking post Kid Buu saga, well, we simply don't know how much he improved because his limits where never pushed during the fight with Uub.

One thing people have to remember, is Goku is also VERY experienced in fighting.

Another reason I think he's gotten stronger than Gohan is because he trains Uub so he'll have somebody to fight so he apparently doesn't consider Vegeta or Gohan at his level so he wants to unlock Uub's hidden power that was that of Kid Buu's...which either might mean he'll train Uub to get stronger than Gohan since he has the power of Kid Buu hidden, Kid Buu was stronger than Gohan, or Gohan has gotten weaker (which is probably it).

I still say Kid Buu was the strongest of all the Buu incarnations in DBZ.

Gohan was owning Gotenks absorbed Buu, but I beleive he would have faultered against Gohan absorbed Buu, where Veggito was owning him.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I still say Kid Buu was the strongest of all the Buu incarnations in DBZ.

Gohan was owning Gotenks absorbed Buu, but I beleive he would have faultered against Gohan absorbed Buu, where Veggito was owning him.

Actually, Gohan got owned by Gotenks absorbed Buu.

Gohan was owning Super Buu. Gotenks absorbed Buu was beating Gohan.

And I think Kid Buu is the strongest Buu without having anybody absorbed. I really don't think Mystic Gohan could have beaten him either but I don't think he's stronger than Super Buu absorbed with Gotenks or Gohan.

Super Buu absorbed Gohan, Gotenks, Piccolo> Kid Buu>>Super Buu

Piccolo absorbed is a bit iffy. Gokou didn't think Super Buu with Piccolo, Goten, And Trunks was a problem..Unless that was just anime.

Hmm. I'm not sure, either way, Super Buu with Gohan and Gotenks is the strongest, Kid Buu is the most viscous. IMO

Wrong order, it's "Kid Buu>Super Buu absorbed Gohan, Gotenks, Piccolo>Super Buu absorbed Gotenks, Piccolo>Super Buu>Pure Evil Buu>Fat Buu".

Thats my oppinion in a nutshell.

I say this not only because of the "Viciousness" of the attack, but the fact that Kid Buu not only regenerates twice as fast as any previous Buu, but also displays far more power in his attacks, for example, popping planets every few seconds is a very impressive feat.

Wasn't Gohan actually winning against Gotenks absorbed Buu? I may be remembering that part wrong, it may be just Piccolo absorbed Buu, but I'm not too sure.

Actually, after Buu absorbed Gotenks and Piccolo, he dominated Gohan pretty easy.

Originally posted by Mirai Gohan
You all need to read the manga again as Goku clearly states that he has limits while being alive.
Yes, he has a limited Ki supply, whereas dead he has none.

Ki supply limit has nothing to do with the limit of his power though, the difference bitween stamina and strength in essence.