The Official DragonBall Z thread

Originally posted by Mirai Gohan
I'd rather have him look really monstrous but he is much more powerful than any of the Z Fighters. Actually, I think Vegeta IS the Bizarro Goku.

Are you serious? Piccolo is not weak at all. Using that logic, that's like saying Goku is weak as well but that's certainly not the case. Piccolo has fought every major villain except Vegeta & Buu to a standstill or has caused them to take drastic measures. He was even as strong or stronger than SSJ Vegeta which was implied by Krillen & the others. He's been stronger than everyone multiple times, especially when he fused with Kami so Piccolo is not weak in any way.

Originally posted by Kento
Piccolo is weak compared to Gohan, Gokou, and Vegeta. Piccolo didn't fight Nappa or Radditz to a standstill, wasn't strong enough to take out first form Cell and wasn't able to take out Freeza at 3rd form. How does saying Piccolo clone would be easy to beat because the saiyans are a lot stronger than him imply Gokou being weak? And Piccolo was stronger than ssj Vegeta yes that is obvious since he stalemated 17 but to USSJ Vegeta he was a weakling also. Then SSJ Gokou and Gohan pass him up also. Future Trunks is stronger.

How do we know he is weak compared to them? Piccolo trained in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber too, he could have easily become much stronger from that training alone. Not to mention the seven years after the Cell Games in which I'm sure he improved his fighting skills even more. Seriously, Piccolo is pretty damn strong, he's not weak at all.

weak in comparison. he's stronger than alot of ppl including first form cell, but hes still damn weak

Compare to a normal human or any of the human fighters sure he isn't weak. But compared to saiyans he is. You can't think Piccolo could take a ssj2 or ssj3. He's never shown the power to be able to.

Originally posted by Vvendeta
Because i am knew in this forum

I don´t know him, but he was wrong with the 2 tons thing.

I post scans with the original manga to prove my point.

Whatever.

Admit it. You're afraid of Mirai Gohan, which is why you didn't get involved in this thread until after he got banned. Now that he's back, you don't want to post anymore because you know that you would get owned by him and the rest of the people.

You're pathetic.

dude u do know ppl can find a forum right? how is he afraid of mirai?

Originally posted by Mirai Gohan
How am I wrong when it's in the manga I have posted countless times? Just shut up & stop making an ass of yourself.

I have exams so I don’t have time to debate, but you are wrong:

this is the original translation, no some scan traduce in a wrong way, I bet you just read Dragon ball in the internet. when the tranlations are make by fans.

Originally posted by Mirai Gohan
Lol, I can't believe you're using anime as canon, you're just a joke you noob. And they didn't state anywhere in the manga that he had 2 tons on each arm & leg, just that he was using two tons total. Also, it's foolish to try & say such a small car weighs 1-2 tons, at the most it only weighs a couple thousand lbs.

Well it looks to me Goku SSJ 1 could fight with those 40 tons to many Marvel and Dc characters, and it looks like you try to put Goku down. And well, when did I call you me names, easy to be brave in the internet.

Originally posted by Mirai Gohan
Seriously, if they are two tons, that's only some thousands of lbs on each weight. And you're making an ass of yourself with that spelling. Lol, seriously, don't try to mess with the big boys, you'd be setting yourself up for a mindwarp to which your feeble mind has never seen.

Seriously i don´t know or care if you are a celebrity here, Goku is lifting a car in his first apearence, and is boxing a superespeed, enough to fight anyone, same when he has 100 kilos, or you would say that Goku at that moment only lift 100 kilos?

Originally posted by Kento
But if you look at the other characters in durability Buu was pretty weak in it with the energy attacks. Gokou wasn't blown apart by Kid Buu's kamehameha yet Kid Buu was blown apart by Vegeta's normal ki blasts.

And sure SSJ3 Gotenks is stronger than Fat Buu but when they first created Gotenks he was beaten in his base form by Fat Buu. So I wonder how he'd fair against Fat Buu in his base form around the time he fought Super Buu.

Hal is a Green Lantern. He's a lot more than just any normal human. Also it's not as if Hal is going to go h2h fighting with Gokou. He has no reason to he has the GL ring. He could create a army of Superman clones to fight Gokou if he wanted.

On a different note Gokou lifting a car at 12, and thinking that 10 tons was way to much when he was in his forties proves that they really don't get much stronger physically.

Buu is not as durable like others, I know, but he resist a bomb to blow a tank so that is he is not sponge

About Hal, he is serious, I don´t want to discuss a vs, but would that be interesting, the way I see it, Goku has a speed that Hal or any Green don´t have, (I know he fly fast, but reaction and acceleration I mean)

And I say 1 or 2 tons car.

The weight in his normal training doing martial arts is 8 tons, 2 tons each arm and leg.

Ok I answer you more tomorrow, have exams, and I am not trying to make enemies here.

Originally posted by Ozone
Whatever.

Admit it. You're afraid of Mirai Gohan, which is why you didn't get involved in this thread until after he got banned. Now that he's back, you don't want to post anymore because you know that you would get owned by him and the rest of the people.

You're pathetic.

Jesus, what is wrong with this people, man, can you read where i am from?
Do you know there is time diferents between countries?

Man i am proving what i am saying with scans and you call me names?

You are the pathetic.

You didn't prove anything, you just posted a bunch of useless junk.

Btw, how did you go from base Goku to SSJ Goku? You're weak.

Originally posted by Mirai Gohan
You didn't prove anything, you just posted a bunch of useless junk.

I think you are retard, well I have to explain to you like a baby, here click this picture I took with the original translation, and if you look the picture of King Kai or The lord of Worlds you will read that he is saying 2 tons EACH.

Now I wait for you to be a man and say : yes sorry I was wrong

Originally posted by Mirai Gohan
Btw, how did you go from base Goku to SSJ Goku? You're weak.

Goku was boxing and kicking with 2 tons in each his arm and legs, that is 8 tons, then the Kai change it to 10 tons each that is 40 tons, and he is moving at high speed with them, with that I am debunked your opinion that Goku is weak compare with some Marvel characters you mention before.

You are not strong either.

The same concept was use in Dragon Ball. Goku using a 100 kilos clothes could fight Tien, When Tien prove To be Faster than Goku, Goku take the clothes off and was far fast of Tien speed.

Here that does not mean he only can lift 100 kilos.

In here Goku is proving that he could fight using the weights.

This is the Same, it does not mean he only can lift 8 tons, and in you think about it, in 100 g Goku weights like he is using 8 tons if he weights 80 kilos.

You can debate my opinion, but stop insulting me without reason.

Originally posted by Vvendeta

Goku was boxing and kicking with 2 tons in each his arm and legs, that is 8 tons, then the Kai change it to 10 tons each that is 40 tons, and he is moving at high speed with them, with that I am debunked your opinion that Goku is weak compare with some Marvel characters you mention before.

You are not strong either.

Originally posted by Kento
It still means Gokou can't lift 10 tons in base. 2 on each arm and leg adds up to 8 total yet but he's also not lifting that all at once but 2 tons with each arm and two tons on each leg and he can't lift 10 tons with one arm in base . Which a whole lot of Marvel and DC characters can do with a pinky. At the most it ever shows him hold is 40 tons, which still a class 100 could easily do the same thing he did just without the flying because some can't fly. From what he's been shown to lift he's still weak compared to Superman, Captain Marvel, Hulk, Thing, Colossus, Abomination, Spidey (as long as he doesn't go ssj) Wonder Woman, Lobo, Bizarro, Thanos, and pretty much any character that can lift over 100 tons.

Goku will loose horribly with all those characters that you mentioned if he has to fight them in his normal form without powering up, but Goku normal is not 8 to 10 tons, he is using a heavy clothes that make for him difficult to move in his martial arts, so when he lose the weight he will be lighter, see if you hold a dumbbell of 10 kilos in your arms and start punching, you will be slower that you normally are, but ones you get use to it, your punches will have more speed and therefore strength.
Goku is using a 40 tons clothes in his training, that is the concept

If You are putting Goku like he only can lift 40 tons as SSJ1, well, Goku being SSJ 1 can power up hugely and you know that, his power ups are exponential, and this without counting the other 2 Supersaiyan levels.

Even if Goku normal form without powering up is only a 8 tons maximum strength the only thing he can do to be a 40 tons category is kaioken times 5, and in Namek he reach 20 Kaioken, if he do the same he will be boxing with 160 tons, in that category he is a match for any of the character you mention, Without being Supersaiyan, that is why he have it easy with the 40 tons, he don´t feel it.

In the End of the Manga, Goku probably would resist higher times Kai o ken, and anyway supersaiyan transformation is higher and better form to power up.

This is a feat of Goku Child in his training with Roshi, I don´t know how heavy the boulder is, but sure is more heavy than a car.

And This in the Beggining of DB. You know this too.

Originally posted by Mirai Gohan
You didn't prove anything, you just posted a bunch of useless junk.