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No, King Kai states that he is training with only two tons & not with two tons on each limb. All this guy is doing is posting irrelevant scans. So far as he's proven me is not he cannot comprehend what he's reading. He's just another person who wants to overexaggerate Goku's feats.

Originally posted by Vvendeta
Goku will loose horribly with all those characters that you mentioned if he has to fight them in his normal form without powering up, but Goku normal is not 8 to 10 tons, he is using a heavy clothes that make for him difficult to move in his martial arts, so when he lose the weight he will be lighter, see if you hold a dumbbell of 10 kilos in your arms and start punching, you will be slower that you normally are, but ones you get use to it, your punches will have more speed and therefore strength.
Goku is using a 40 tons clothes in his training, that is the concept

If You are putting Goku like he only can lift 40 tons as SSJ1, well, Goku being SSJ 1 can power up hugely and you know that, his power ups are exponential, and this without counting the other 2 Supersaiyan levels.

Gokou states he can't lift 10 tons while in his normal form without going ssj so kaioken isn't going to cut it. At ssj he can lift 40 tons sure but don't know how much more he can lift. And at ssj2 or ssj3 we also don't know how much. Everything after 40 tons is just guessing.

I didn't say Gokou can only lift 40 tons..because well he's doing it quite easily. But nothing past that is know. It's not known how much more he can lift past that.

And no way would Spidey win against base Gokou even though he is stronger. Also that car would probably weigh less than a ton. That large rock, who knows how much that weighs probably a couple of tons. That still just proves that he doesn't get much stronger physically if he can move at least 2 or 3 tons at 12 yet at 40 something he can't do 10 in just his base form.

Lol, exactly, that actually makes him look bad if you're saying that 20 something years later he can't lift more than 2 tons without turning SSJ. This is exactly what I mean when I say that physically DBZ characters are weak. Hell, after Smallville's Clark Kent learns to fly this season, he'll even be able to completely curbstomp Goku & any other DBZ character.

Goku in those scans was lifting 2 tons on each arm, prove that it was total. Also, that large rock was at least 10 tons, 2 tons my ass. Clark Kent of Smallville couldn't curb Burter.

Dude, come on, that rock is not 10 tons, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. That's like saying base kid Goku is stronger than his adult self which is bullshit. Btw, Clark can move faster than any DBZ character, including Burter.

It isn't a total Gohan. It's 2 tons each arm. That means he can at least lift 2 tons with each limb. Doesn't mean he can lift 8 tons though. He can't lift 10 tons with one arm which even Spidey could do. That rock may be bigger than 2 tons who knows. Smallville Clark could take Burter in speed plus he's stronger than Gokou. He's just not as great of fighter though and I doubt he could take the energy attacks from Burter.

Originally posted by Mirai Gohan
Dude, come on, that rock is not 10 tons, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. That's like saying base kid Goku is stronger than his adult self which is bullshit. Btw, Clark can move faster than any DBZ character, including Burter.

It was just 2 tons total, not 4, not 6, not 8, just two tons. As for Smallville Clark, the only reason why he might lose is because he's not as durable as he can be. But, the more solar energy he absorbs, the more powerful he becomes. After he learns to fly he'll be able to speedblitz any DBZ character. Kara can defeat anyone from DBZ for sure.

No it was 8 tons total. There is nothing saying anything different. He's training with 2 ton weights.

Show me where in the manga it said he had 2 tons on each limb. I'd love to see that.

Where does it say that it's 2 tons total?

The Kai talking to King Kai asks if Goku is training the old fashioned way & asks him how much Goku is training with to which he says just 2 tons, not 2 tons on each limb.

http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gokutrainingjk5.jpg

Two tons each

I still don't see King Kai stating that it was 2 tons on each limb.

South Kai : How much are those weights?
King Kai : Two Tons each.

I don't know why I assume there two ton weights....

Still didn't say on each limb. Either way, he's physically weak.

He asks how much the weights are and King Kai says two tons each. What else could he be he's saying that it's a ton on each side or something? And in his base form yes he is. Also to Hulk, Thor, and Superman he is. But compared to a normal person, Spidey, Wolverine, and possibly even Thing he isn't weak by any standard. Plus he makes up for it with the power he has in energy and the speed that few low cl100's have.

He's not even that fast, he's actually pretty slow. In fact, nearly all DBZ characters are slow compared to people like Superman. It took Piccolo nearly three issues for Piccolo to reach the battlefield where Gohan, Krillen, Vegeta, & Freeza were fighting.

Three issues doesn't say how much time it took. Saying how much fighting happened and talking would but not issues. It took Naruto, Kakashi, Sakura, and Temari one issue to get to the Sand Village...but it was three days. An issue can be any amount of time from a second to years. They've shown more speed than people like Thing have or Colossus, from all I've seen anyway of Thing or Colossus. Compared to Superman plenty of people are slow so that's a bad comparison. Where do you think they rank in speed?

Originally posted by Mirai Gohan
Dude, come on, that rock is not 10 tons, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. That's like saying base kid Goku is stronger than his adult self which is bullshit. Btw, Clark can move faster than any DBZ character, including Burter.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=y4xFtgSsfBk

But that is a different thread